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Offline rsss396

Racing Gasoline Verses Aviation Gasoline
« on: August 05, 2013, 09:17:47 PM »
Racing Gasoline Verses Aviation Gasoline                        We have received many phone calls and all wanted an explanation from us regarding the use of AvGas. As a Moderator we are impartial and want only to help our constituents by offering some facts they can decide on. So we thought it best to chime in a bit with some information. As you know us by now we tend to offer enough information for all levels of expertise.

Avgas 80/87: this product is used in low compression ratio aircraft engines, contains little or no lead, is red in color, and should not be used in any automotive engine due to a low motor octane number of about 80.

Avgas 100/130: this product that can be used in some automotive engines. It has both research and motor octane numbers slightly over 100. Avgas 100/130 is green in color, contains four grams of lead per gallon, and is becoming harder to find.

Avgas 100 LL: the LL stands for "low-lead" which means two grams per gallon, low compared to the avgas 100/130 that it was designed to replace. It has research and motor octane numbers very similar to the 100/130 product previously discussed. The color is blue. This product sometimes has a high level of aromatics, which can contribute to lazy throttle response, and dissatisfaction of the consumer

Avgas 115/145: this product was developed for high performance piston aircraft engines used in world war II and in the Korean war. It is very hard to find anymore due to lack of demand although it is of very high-octane quality. The color is purple.

Avgas is less dense and has a lower specific gravity than most racing gasolines. Instead of weighing about 6.1 to 6.3 pounds per gallon like racing gasoline, it weighs 5.8 to 5.9 pounds per gallon. The racer must compensate for this by changing to richer (larger) jets in the carburetor when changing from racing gasoline to avgas.

The other major difference is octane quality. Avgas is short on octane, has a lower volatility and doesn't evaporate as quickly, which is important for high-altitude use. Gasoline/Race fuels are more volatile fuel than Avgas, diesel or kerosene. The reason for this is not only the base constituents, but also the additives that are put into it. The final control of volatility is often via blending of butane. The desired volatility depends on the ambient temperature: the hotter the weather, the lower the volatility

AvGas is a good gasoline for low speed aircraft engines that run at 2700 to 2800 RPM at 10,000 feet or higher. This does not mean it is a good gasoline for racing engines operating at 8,000 to 10,000 RPM.

AvGas can be illegal to use in anything except aircraft engines because of on aromatics in general, benzene in particular, and olefins (alkene) content. Violations can carry a potential penalty of $25,000 per day of violation.

AvGas octane numbers are determined in a different test than motor gasoline octane numbers. Do not be confused by the big numbers from the AvGas test method. They are not comparable to motor gasoline test numbers. A 111 octane Racing Fuel tests at 160 on the AvGas Scale.

Engines running AvGas with "quick" spark advance curves or with no centrifugal advance have more spark advance at low rpm that racing gasolines can handle.

The result is detonation; Inadequate octane quality is one of the quickest ways to destroy an engine.

A Quote released from SUNOCO

Aviation gasolines are leaded and not taxed as road fuels, either of which make them illegal for use on public highways. Aircraft engines are also essentially low engine speed, constant throttle applications that must work well at very low atmospheric pressure and temperature. Aviation gasolines are blended to work well only under these very specific circumstances, and do not perform as well under high rpm and high load applications.

Only our opinion: For maximum engine performance, stability and power use race fuels with octane levels designed to mactch your engine specifications.

Quick Reference

Octane rating

The most important characteristic of gasoline is its Research Octane Number (RON) or octane rating, which is a measure of how resistant gasoline is to premature detonation (knocking). It is measured relative to a mixture of isooctane (2,2,4-trimethylpentane) and n-heptane. So an 87-octane gasoline has the same knock resistance as a mixture of 87% isooctane and 13% n-heptane.

There is another type of Octane, called "Motor Octane Number" (MON), which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. Its definition is also based on the mixture of isooctane and n-heptane that has the same performance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.

Volatility

Gasoline is a more volatile fuel than Avgas, diesel or kerosene. The reason for this is not only the base constituents, but also the additives that are put into it. The final control of volatility is often via blending of butane. The desired volatility depends on the ambient temperature: the hotter the weather, the lower the volatility. The maximum volatility of gasoline in many countries has been reduced in recent years to reduce the fugitive emissions during refueling.

Knock resistance

An air and fuel mixtures' ability to resist rapid auto ignition - when compressed in a spark ignited engine running at a specific temperature and compression ratio - long enough to avoid detonation or Engine knocking. Detonation occurs when the fuel mix not yet consumed by the flames from the spark plug auto ignites all at once (or sometimes perhaps when the flame front goes supersonic because of early ignition timing). A fuel with an high auto ignition temperature that burns reasonably fast and thus doesn't need early ignition timing, will therefore most often have high practical value knock resistance. Ethyl alcohol is such a fuel.

Interesting Fact during World War II and octane

One interesting historical issue involving octane rating took place during WWII. Germany received the vast majority of her oil from Romania, and set up huge distilling plants in Germany to produce gasoline from it.

In the US the oil was not 'as good' and the oil industry instead had to invest heavily in various expensive boosting systems. This turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise. US industry was soon delivering fuels of ever-increasing octane ratings by adding more of the boosting agents, with cost no longer a factor during wartime.

By war's end American aviation fuel was commonly 130 to 150 octanes, which could easily be put to use in existing engines to deliver much more power by increasing the compression delivered by the superchargers. The Germans, relying entirely on 'good' gasoline, had no such industry, and instead had to rely on ever-larger engines to deliver more power. The result is that British and US engines consistently outperformed German ones during the war, playing no small part in the defeat of the Luftwaffe.
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

Offline rsss396

Racing Gasoline Verses Aviation Gasoline
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2013, 09:19:03 PM »
This was originally written by Rich Rohrich:

The simple answer is:
100LL (Blue) avgas seems to be the most readily available version so I'm assuming that's what we are talking about. 100LL avgas USUALLY isn’t the best choice but it won't hurt anything.

** For those of you in a hurry, or just sick of me rambling on about this crap skip down to the bottom of the thread to the >>>>>> for a summation.

For those of you still with me, here are some details.
Contrary to popular belief this isn't 100-octane fuel. Aviation fuels are rated on an ASTM Lean/Rich performance number system. 100LL is rated at 91/96 By comparison; Unocal Leaded race gas that is used in lots of spec fuel racing classes has performance number of 112/160. 100LL is closer to 91 octane (MON); by comparison VP C12 is rated at 108 (MON).

For our purposes avgas has a couple of problems:

1) The 90% boiling point for 100LL blue avgas is set at 275 degrees F, which in an engine that turns over 7000 rpm will likely make less power than a fuel that has it's 90% point lower. Pump gas has similar problems, but most good race gas will have 90% point MUCH lower. As an example Phillips B32 has a 90% boiling point around 235 degrees F and VP C12 has a 90% boiling point around 220 degrees F.

2) Depending on the refiner 100LL can have fairly high aromatic hydrocarbon content, in the 30% by weight range. This level of aromatics will tend to make the throttle response mushy and flat in applications that see big throttle opening transitions on a regular basis. It's similar to what happens when you dump a lot of toluene based octane booster in your fuel. Throttle response becomes a distant memory.

3) The vapor pressure and distillation curve of avgas just doesn't seem right for our purposes. The distillation curve of a fuel determines to a large degree the warm-up, transitional (on & off) throttle response, and acceleration characteristics of an engine.
Here's the simplified version:

A fuels distillation curve designates the maximum temperatures at which various points between 10% and 90% of the fuel will be evaporated as well as the maximum end point temperature. So for any engine/air temperature combination there is a minimum volatility that is required for proper running. As you probably know gasoline is made up of different hydrocarbons, with different boiling points. By combining these hydrocarbons together you get a distillation curve. Some hydrocarbons (light ends) boil off at low temps while some do at much higher temps. Depending on the intended application, a petrochemist will blend hydrocarbons to get a curve that matches the rpm range, temp, altitude, and acceleration characteristics for the application. The problem with avgas as a race fuel is the fact it is blended for an application where acceleration and throttle response are not high priorities. If you think about the average light airplane application, you're talking about a fairly low compression engine that runs in a fairly narrow rpm band, and is rarely called on to provide the type of transitional throttle response that a high rpm, acceleration critical application like motocross does. What's more important to the avgas designer is controlling mixture strength by eliminating the possibility of vapor lock and icing while making sure that light end hydrocarbon fractions don't boil off too early. The lowered rpm ranges used in these engines allow them to push the boiling point up on the upper end as well. As you can see, by using straight avgas or by mixing various types of fuel together you are modifying a number of important fuel design parameters. You may hit on a combination that works well, but more likely you'll have an engine that doesn't detonate, but doesn't accelerate very well either. So avgas is SAFE, but not a very good choice. The high paraffinic hydrocarbon content of 100LL makes a very good base stock if you want to play back yard petrochemist, and I believe this is how some of the smaller race fuel blenders start out. I can tell you from experience that it's a pain to document and test various changes unless you have a lot of time and patience, so trying to come up with your own Super Fuel is probably more trouble than it is worth.

So it sounds like avgas is really bad for our purposes, and for the most part it is, but given the sorry state of pump fuel today, avgas is looking better all the time.

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Here's my short course take on things based on my experience and personal biases, (keep in mind this is pretty generalized)

- In almost every case 100ll avgas is a better choice than alcohol pump fuels

- If you don't need the additional octane that 100LL provides, then MTBE based pump premium (especially Amoco) will tend to provide better throttle response than avgas assuming you have any jetting skill. If you can't jet you're just wasting your time worrying about any of this stuff on a stock bike.

- Mixing 100LL avgas with a good race gas designed for your application and rpm range is a reasonable way to save some money.

- Mixing alcohol based pump fuels with ANYTHING in an attempt to make it BETTER is just a chemical circle jerk, and if you're that cheap or that ignorant you deserve the crummy performance and the insurmountable jetting problems that you will invariably be blessed with.

- Milspec avgas is a different animal entirely, but isn't readily available so we won't worry about it.

- The correct race fuel for your application will outperform ANY of the above, regardless of whether the engine is stock or modified. The more demon tweaks hiding in your engine, the more you have to gain
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

 

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