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Offline Red89

Not shifting
« on: March 03, 2018, 07:19:22 PM »
Need some help guys. While riding itís really tough to shift to 2nd gear. The shifter didnít want to move up. When stopped it will shift no problem. I have the clutch cable adjusted all the way I can. Any idea what the problem could be? Iím hoping itís a clutch cable problem or maybe worn clutch plates. Donít really want to split cases.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 08:41:02 PM by Red89 »

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Re: Not shifting
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2018, 10:24:29 PM »
it shifts fine 2-3, 3-4....?  when was the last time the clutch was serviced?  last time the bottom end was torn apart?  maybe excessive in/out play with the shift shaft?

Joe

Offline hickwheeler

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2018, 10:37:48 PM »
Another issue I've had is having the shifter positioned to high. So couldn't up shift for crap.
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Offline Red89

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 09:49:11 AM »
Couldnít tell you the last time it was torn apart. Iím thinking itís a clutch issue being the issue I have and when down shifting with the clutch pulled in it kind of clunks. In other words feels like the clutch isnít completely disengaging. Which leads me to think itís a clutch problem. How could I tell if the clutch discs are worn?

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Re: Not shifting
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 10:43:49 AM »
Couldnít tell you the last time it was torn apart. Iím thinking itís a clutch issue being the issue I have and when down shifting with the clutch pulled in it kind of clunks. In other words feels like the clutch isnít completely disengaging. Which leads me to think itís a clutch problem. How could I tell if the clutch discs are worn?

look up the service manual online  or get a hard copy (my suggestion).  measure the clutch free spring length,  measure clutch disc thickness (fibers and plates).  check for clutch disc warpage.  check the clutch center and clutch outer (hub and basket) for excessive wear/grooving.  check the starter idler gear and clutch outer guide.  all the service limits are in the service manual.

Also, a good set of 0-1"  mic's and 0-6" calipers are worth every penny.  a small surface plate is useful also.  clean the engine before tearing into it.  don't forget to order a new clutch cover gasket when ordering parts.

Joe

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Re: Not shifting
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2018, 10:52:28 AM »
Damit joe! You beat me to it! The manual says replace at 2.85mm or .112"
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Online Tbone07

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2018, 09:18:13 PM »
Could be a number of issues including, but not limited to:

Worn clutch basket, worn clutch plates, bent/worn shift shaft, bent/worn shift forks, worn/broken shift drum

Start with pulling off the clutch cover and inspect everything you can from there. If you can't find the culprit then it's time to split the cases and investigate further
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Offline Red89

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2018, 09:36:13 PM »
Could be a number of issues including, but not limited to:

Worn clutch basket, worn clutch plates, bent/worn shift shaft, bent/worn shift forks, worn/broken shift drum

Start with pulling off the clutch cover and inspect everything you can from there. If you can't find the culprit then it's time to split the cases and investigate further

Thatís what Iíll do. Hoping itís a clutch issue and not the forks, shafts or gears.

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Re: Not shifting
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2018, 07:06:20 AM »
does the shifter "bounce" when moving it to 2nd gear?  any grinding sounds?  when it eventually changes gear, does it "jump" forward or anything like that?

Offline Red89

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2018, 01:49:49 PM »
does the shifter "bounce" when moving it to 2nd gear?  any grinding sounds?  when it eventually changes gear, does it "jump" forward or anything like that?

No it doesnít do any of those things. I can pull the clutch in and push the quad forward and lift the shifter to go to second and it wonít fall into second until the quad comes to a stop then it will raise the rest of the way up and go into second. What also makes me believe that it is a clutch issue is that when in gear and clutch pulled in The quad doesnít roll freely as if the clutch isnít completely disengage. It will still move just not freely as if you were in neutral. Am I correct by saying it should move as if it were in neutral when in gear and clutch pulled in?

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Re: Not shifting
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 01:53:06 PM »
it definitely should roll as if it were in neutral with the clutch pulled in.  surely sounds like a clutch issue to me if you have none of the symptoms i mentioned.

john

Offline broken1

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 05:57:48 PM »
Was it working fine the last time you rode it & now all of a sudden it's not? When I push my R's around with the clutch pulled in & the transmission in first gear they both drag a little so what your experiencing by pushing yours with the clutch in is normal... If you push & pull on the shift shaft does it move in & out about 3/8"? If so than the internal c-clip got knocked out of it's shallow groove & the shaft might have become disengaged from the collar on the drum shifter. That happened to my wife's R once & it started shifting funny.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 06:24:12 PM by broken1 »
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Offline Red89

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2018, 09:06:00 PM »
Found the culprit. Clutch basket is grooved like none other, clutch plates were at 2.4mm, and springs need replaced as well.

Online Tbone07

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2018, 10:18:09 PM »
I'm assuming it's a stock basket? Probably too far gone to file down. Best to replace it with a Wiseco or Hinson basket.

Also, while it's apart you might as well perform Neil's clutch mod...
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Offline Red89

Re: Not shifting
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2018, 02:35:52 PM »
It looks stock and is too far gone. I am replacing it with a Wiseco 👍🏻