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Offline bnau267

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« on: May 24, 2014, 07:13:59 PM »
Besides the hubs, what else is needed from the 400ex to run the axle on a 250r?  Do I run the R brake hub or the 400ex and what about the locknut.  The carrier is the same right?

Offline red88r

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2014, 09:14:42 PM »
I had a 400EX axle on my 86 but I bought it that way.  I think the 250r brake hub and lock nut will work but not 100 percent sure.  Yes the bearing carriers are the same.  Also pretty sure a 400EX axle is not as wide as a 250r axle.
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1988 TRX CT330R
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Offline bnau267

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2014, 10:07:20 PM »
Quote from: red88r;34776
I had a 400EX axle on my 86 but I bought it that way.  I think the 250r brake hub and lock nut will work but not 100 percent sure.  Yes the bearing carriers are the same.  Also pretty sure a 400EX axle is not as wide as a 250r axle.

You might be right on the widths.  My 400ex was every bit as wide as the R but I seem to remember the hubs being about twice as wide as the R hubs.  Feel like an idiot that I didn't figure this out while I had my 400.

Offline red88r

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2014, 10:22:54 PM »
Quote from: bnau267;34779
You might be right on the widths.  My 400ex was every bit as wide as the R but I seem to remember the hubs being about twice as wide as the R hubs.  Feel like an idiot that I didn't figure this out while I had my 400.


I actually might go the other way soon.  I got a 400EX i just picked up with a stock axle and might put a 250r axle in it.
In loving memory of my brother Dustin #81 1986-2006
1989 TRX 250R
1988 TRX CT330R
1987 TRX Duncan 265PV
1986 TRX 250R
1985 ATC 250R

Offline bnau267

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2014, 10:35:47 PM »
That's funny.  That 400 was the most reliable bike I've ever owned with exception to my YZ250.  They can be a little stubborn to start in cold weather.

Offline Bigred

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2014, 12:11:25 AM »
400exaxle I have all the r parts except hubs and axle nut
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Offline bnau267

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2014, 12:57:41 AM »
Quote from: Bigred;34793
400exaxle I have all the r parts except hubs and axle nut

Cool.  Does it end up at about the same width with the 400ex hubs installed?

Offline Pumashine

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2014, 12:31:18 PM »
I bought a 250r/400ex chrome durable + 4 on ebay. I found out later about using the 400ex hubs. Other than that I used all 250r parts to put it together. Seems I had an issue with the length of the threaded part your axle nut goes on.

I believe the width is the same after installing the 400ex hubs
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Offline C-Leigh Racing

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2014, 11:13:40 AM »
Using the 400EX axle in a 250R, you'll need an 1/8" thick spacer washer, to go between the sprocket hub & the bearing, to space the axle out so the rear sprocket will be in line with the front sprocket.
You'll need the wheel hubs from a 400EX, 300EX or 250X, because the axle splines are different from the splines on a 250R axle & the 250R hubs wont work.
The G Force 400EX axle, is shorter than a Lonestar +4 & even with the deep set 4 poker hubs, it will still be 1" shorter than the Lonestar +4, but it sure was nice & chrome & $180.00 shipped to the door.
Dont know if it can be done now, but a guy got it for me that was on the atvnc.com site a few years ago. Good service out of it so far.
Neil
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Race team for 2015
Chuckie Creech #25 TRX450R, Pro, Pro Am, Pro Am Unlimited
Andrea Creech # 25 TRX450R, Womens (National ATVA EDT)
Andrea Creech #33 TRX350R, Womens (local EDT)

If it aint got a hot weed eater 2 stroke engine, all its good for is a pit bike

Offline Pumashine

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2014, 11:27:25 AM »
Quote from: C-Leigh Racing;34902
Using the 400EX axle in a 250R, you'll need an 1/8" thick spacer washer, to go between the sprocket hub & the bearing, to space the axle out so the rear sprocket will be in line with the front sprocket.

This is good info. I always wondered why the front sprocket was always showing wear on one side. Anyone needing the spacer get a hold of me.
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Offline red88r

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2014, 11:55:02 AM »
My cousin has been running the G Force axle in his EX for about a year with no issues.  He is not racing but the axle seems to be very nice for the money like Neil said.  Under 200 bucks to your door from Ebay.
In loving memory of my brother Dustin #81 1986-2006
1989 TRX 250R
1988 TRX CT330R
1987 TRX Duncan 265PV
1986 TRX 250R
1985 ATC 250R

Offline C-Leigh Racing

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2014, 12:21:39 PM »
Tony, I parted off a piece of aluminum round stock to make that washer, same OD as the center of the sprocket hub. Boring tool to punch out the hole size for the axle & then used the cut off to make it 1/8" thick.

Now I suspect you'll probably polish yours, which will be a nice Pumashine touch.
Neil
C-Leigh Racing, in memory of Caraleigh Pritchard
Race team for 2015
Chuckie Creech #25 TRX450R, Pro, Pro Am, Pro Am Unlimited
Andrea Creech # 25 TRX450R, Womens (National ATVA EDT)
Andrea Creech #33 TRX350R, Womens (local EDT)

If it aint got a hot weed eater 2 stroke engine, all its good for is a pit bike

Offline Pumashine

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2014, 12:38:45 PM »
Quote from: C-Leigh Racing;34913
Tony, I parted off a piece of aluminum round stock to make that washer, same OD as the center of the sprocket hub. Boring tool to punch out the hole size for the axle & then used the cut off to make it 1/8" thick.

Now I suspect you'll probably polish yours, which will be a nice Pumashine touch.
Neil

Was there any problem with the seal not making it to the sprocket hub?
Puma 408, Puma 431,  Pilot 412, Puma 431, Mini-tooth 486 Trx450r
89mm  Mini tooth Shearer in frame pipe chromed! With Cascade  Q

Offline GO OVRIT

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2014, 12:43:19 PM »
Is G-Force still around?  The last coulle G-Force parts my friend got showed up in Tusk boxes about a year ago.

Offline C-Leigh Racing

Anyone run a 400ex axle?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2014, 01:12:44 PM »
Quote from: Pumashine;34914
Was there any problem with the seal not making it to the sprocket hub?


Not that I remember Tony, but adding 1/8" I would suspect the seal lips to be right close to the edge of the sprocket hub end.
Those carrier seals are double lipped & if the seal has been drove in flat up against the bearing, might be an issue of the inner lip riding on that washer.
My carrier, the seal had a gap between the inner lip & the bearing, a grease area I guess.
Now something I do remember, when I put that axle in & finger tight the axle nut, the curve part of the sprocket hub was up against the seal & sort of locked up the axle. That is when I checked the chain alinement & it was off just a slight bit.
Neil
C-Leigh Racing, in memory of Caraleigh Pritchard
Race team for 2015
Chuckie Creech #25 TRX450R, Pro, Pro Am, Pro Am Unlimited
Andrea Creech # 25 TRX450R, Womens (National ATVA EDT)
Andrea Creech #33 TRX350R, Womens (local EDT)

If it aint got a hot weed eater 2 stroke engine, all its good for is a pit bike

 

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