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Offline evaneyeball

Carbon build up
« on: September 19, 2020, 12:05:58 AM »
So I am getting a bit concerned with just how much carbon build up is on top of my piston when I took the top end off when I thought it was detonating I thought the piston was all roughed up from the detonation but I realized that it wiped off and it was just alot of carbon build up. I am currently running klotz-r50 at 40:1 with 110 if I remember right a 175 main jet and I cant remember what pilot I have it written down but I dont have it with me. Should i change jetting or should i change oil. Sorry this the only picture I can find and it's with an endoscope after the 250r meet.
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline Jerry Hall

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2020, 12:55:20 AM »
I need a better picture in natural light. 

If the "carbon" wipes off with a rag, the top of the piston is not experiencing enough heat to form what I call carbon deposits.  The cold areas of the piston crowns will not form hard-dry carbon deposits that must be scraped off with a blade or wire brush.  Hard-dry carbon will only form on the areas on top of the piston that is very hot.

 A well tuned carburetor on a highly developed engine will not ever see high enough piston crown temperatures to form hard-dry carbon if the engine is not ridden hard.  Running the engine through 2 or three gears at wide open throttle and then putting around for a minute or two before giving the engine another WOT short blast, will usually pile up a black gooey film on top of the piston and inside the exhaust pipe and muffler.  The jetting, brand of oil and or the fuel to oil ratio will not have much influence on eliminating this gooey film if this is your style of riding.

If the jetting is severely rich, this dark goo will not form because the engine will have a lot of rich misfiring and the majority of the piston crown will be too "cold" to form the black goo.


Offline evaneyeball

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2020, 01:03:11 PM »
It does need to be scraped off it is hard. I was riding pretty hard on the last trip like 6th gear pinned for a minute or less but I did it a couple times but this black hard carbon build up was on there before I took the piston out so sometime in the 3 rides it was on it got that much build up and it was thick about I dont know my millimeters so mabey .003 of an inch I dont know but it seemed way too thick. And I did find a picture of when i took the top end off
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2020, 01:14:48 PM »
Ah shoot I totally forgot that after the winchester ride the banshee that my dad was riding had the same build up on the top of the pistons and he was running klotz r-50 also, and that was the first ride on it after I had put the top end together si the pistons were clean and we only ride the banshee for about an hour and a half so I think it's the oil sorry for not putting this in the earlier comment but i totally spaced on it and forgot about it at all. i dont have pictures of the banshee pistons but with the endoscope they looked the same
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline 2Nubs

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2020, 01:55:20 PM »
Yea that’s not what I’d want my piston to look like.

Can’t really speak on the r50, but super techniplate didn’t leave my piston looking like that. Just a nice clean wash.
‘86 330

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2020, 02:09:37 PM »
I think in going to switch back to dumonde tech l111 because I just dont want to have to worry.
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline 2Nubs

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2020, 02:30:24 PM »
Looks rich to me. Do you lug around a lot? Might just need to run WFO more! Haha
‘86 330

Offline The norm

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2020, 06:04:11 PM »
I run R50 and do not see that on any of my pistons. I would think that an oil with castor in it would carbon up much worse than a synthetic oil like R50.
Loren
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering 391(Good bye super 310)
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering  ported stock 86 cylinder
1986 Trx250r-- craigslist engine with unknown ported 89 cylinder.
1985 Atc250r-- Needs a lot of work (Super 310's new home)

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2020, 06:42:05 PM »
The jetting is rich but I dont think it is that rich and I've changed carbs and jetting and it has happened as far as I know it's happened the whole time. I do need to take my head off and change my head gasket cause last time arlen didnt have the right one so he gave me one that was almost twice the thickness. I also still need a whole new head because the spark plug threads are still kind of stripped
« Last Edit: September 19, 2020, 06:44:10 PM by evaneyeball »
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline 2Nubs

Re: Carbon build up
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2020, 07:38:16 PM »
I bet that quench and the jetting is playing a big role.
‘86 330

 

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