TRX250R.ORG

General => Projects => Topic started by: DOUGLAS on December 12, 2017, 07:15:47 PM

Title: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 12, 2017, 07:15:47 PM
after 6 plus years I have laid out my parts and will be assembling at a snails pace.[
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on December 12, 2017, 11:55:04 PM
That is a impressive pile of parts. Will be very nice when all together
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: broken1 on December 13, 2017, 10:45:54 PM
It's going to look nice but holy smokes thats going to be alot of polishing to keep up on.... Are those Pumashine trx450 to 250 peg adapters I spy in the top left corner of the top pic? I was curious how those would work with the trx450 roll pegs.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 14, 2017, 05:38:56 AM
ha that's an I spy for sure. no I made these before tony even made his. I posted these on .net when I was making them. ha he may even have got the idea from my  :) :) :)
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on December 14, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
everything looks great! 
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 14, 2017, 06:34:45 PM
progress on my engine arlen is sending out my cylinder to race reflections for polishing.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on December 14, 2017, 07:43:08 PM
What radiator is that?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 15, 2017, 04:51:57 AM
ebay Chinese. I run one on my banshee and my yfz
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on December 15, 2017, 01:26:45 PM
is that a 450r swinger?  I think a build like this call for a Roll set up.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 15, 2017, 05:42:11 PM
it is a n 06 450 swingarm
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: etccb on December 18, 2017, 06:09:15 PM
it is a n 06 450 swingarm

How does that 450r swingarm change effect the shock linkage ratio? Is there shock builder that has this dialed in and is setting up shocks for this all new non factory linkage ratio?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 18, 2017, 07:57:18 PM
good question on the shock. I came up with this set up years ago on a mock up in my shop but never tried it. I measured all points from my stock swingarm. linkage points and shock position. I then installed the 06 swinger and had to make adjustments on the linkage arms to be functional. all appeard to be in workable order I posted this information on .net  I remember a member took it to the next level and did the swap over he posted a video and he also replied he had owned several r's in the past and that this was a smoother ride. this will be my first try at it. so lets hope it works in all aspects. if I fail at it then I go back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Tbone07 on December 21, 2017, 11:32:07 AM
Get those polishing muscles tuned up you're gonna need them haha. Looks awesome, can't wait to see the finished product
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 24, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
here's a sneak peak at the custom flip top fender I made.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 24, 2017, 11:54:41 AM
more photos
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on December 24, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
another photo
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 01, 2018, 10:54:33 AM
front end assembly ]
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 01, 2018, 10:55:22 AM
another photo
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 01, 2018, 05:44:58 PM
Douglas Hoyt well as expected the toe in is off considering I got a arms 2 plus 1 with tie rods plus 2. but I am using 06 450 spindles. facing the bike the right side is nearly spot on as far as toe. the left is out about 3/4 inch. my tie rods are 14 inches atv guy has a few sets standard and plus 1 he is gathering for me tonight so I will go pick pick them up as he is only 1 mile from my house. I also can take a little off the tie rod end itself about 1/4 to 5/16 with a hack saw that will give about an additional 5/8 - 3/4 inch adjustment. my a arms have all heim joints so I have maximum adjustment available to me.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 04, 2018, 08:25:52 PM
update using the plus 2 tie rods I have for the arms 14 inch I cut of 1/4 off each tie rod end on left side that gave me enough to bring in my toe enough to match up with the right side. so i'm off to a great start considering most every one has always said 04-05- 450 spindles the 06 and up are a problem or won't work. I just got my swing arm and gas tank back from the welder and I will be sending it out to the dave at race reflections to be repolished. I am waiting for him to finish a few parts before I send these out. so for now here's some eye candy

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: red88r on January 04, 2018, 09:39:20 PM
That is a very nice clean build buddy.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 14, 2018, 11:06:03 AM
a little mod for my foot lever. added a grease fitting and a cr450 toe tip
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: croat1 on January 14, 2018, 11:32:13 AM
good stuff Douglas

Joe
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Burns363R on January 15, 2018, 07:22:37 AM
update using the plus 2 tie rods I have for the arms 14 inch I cut of 1/4 off each tie rod end on left side that gave me enough to bring in my toe enough to match up with the right side. so i'm off to a great start considering most every one has always said 04-05- 450 spindles the 06 and up are a problem or won't work. I just got my swing arm and gas tank back from the welder and I will be sending it out to the dave at race reflections to be repolished. I am waiting for him to finish a few parts before I send these out. so for now here's some eye candy

Did you cycle the suspension through the entire range to see if it toes out at the top of the travel?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 15, 2018, 11:30:11 AM
waiting on my swingarm so I can put her on the floor to make all adjustments. i sent it to race reflections.. in jackson tn. he wont receive it till tomorrow and i am leaving for a 10 day vacation on a cruise so it will be a bit before i can get to it.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Burns363R on January 15, 2018, 02:56:17 PM
Before you put the shocks on it,  Put the tires/rims on and cycle the suspension and measure the toe at the bottom and top of the stroke and see how much it changes.   Im pretty curious on this, as i was under the impression the 450r stuff wont work on the 250r unless you change the flag height.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on January 15, 2018, 03:28:06 PM
By the look of the angle of the tierod in the pics. It will have some issue. They are not the same angle as the arms. Just my uneducated observation
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on January 15, 2018, 03:46:18 PM
Before you put the shocks on it,  Put the tires/rims on and cycle the suspension and measure the toe at the bottom and top of the stroke and see how much it changes.   Im pretty curious on this, as i was under the impression the 450r stuff wont work on the 250r unless you change the flag height.

I believe you are correct.  however, the 400ex stuff should work.  I believe there is a bracket that allows the use of the 250r dual piston calipers.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 15, 2018, 04:27:50 PM
all good stuff guys. I will exercise all options and tests to try to dial in this girl. at the moment all bolts are finger tight. thank you all for your thoughts and interest. I already made some correction to the toe after this photo was taken.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Burns363R on January 16, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
You have adjusted toe at full extension right?  Measure it at full up travel and ride height.  You might not like what you see.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 16, 2018, 07:32:07 PM
I will do all that thank you
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: FerrinMotorsports on January 21, 2018, 04:03:52 PM
Will this build ever leave your garage???....(JK)....LOL ;D
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 21, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
hahahahahahahahaha it will. but there better not be any mud when I take it out
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on January 22, 2018, 05:22:25 AM
hahahahahahahahaha it will. but there better not be any mud when I take it out

there is a benefit to all that polished and Pc'd parts.  they clean off much easier than the alternative.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 22, 2018, 06:10:09 PM
06 spindle conversion 87 250r. here's what I came up with.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 22, 2018, 06:17:08 PM
with out the shock in the a arms travel is limited to the angle from the 450 spindle on the tie rod end. if i bottom out the front end with out bending the tie rod the tie rod ends hit there maximum travel. this will barly allow the shock to compress fully.so by adding the bends it changes the range of the suspension for the shock to travel with out it hitting the maximum on the tie rod end
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on January 23, 2018, 05:07:17 AM
with out the shock in the a arms travel is limited to the angle from the 450 spindle on the tie rod end. if i bottom out the front end with out bending the tie rod the tie rod ends hit there maximum travel. this will barly allow the shock to compress fully.so by adding the bends it changes the range of the suspension for the shock to travel with out it hitting the maximum on the tie rod end

looks like you just added two increased points of failure.  those OEM tie rods are weak to start, as I have bent several in the past.  maybe if they are made with chromoly, and properly heat treated, they would suffice.

john
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on January 23, 2018, 05:55:36 AM
I'm not sure if I'm saying this right. But putting the bends in the tierod has changed nothing to what will happen when you cycle the suspension. They are still at the same plane. You just made it to were you are not connecting them with a straight line
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Burns363R on January 23, 2018, 07:29:48 AM
You are correct Hickwheeler.  He has not changed the plane.  He would need to raise the flag on the stem or lower it on the spindle to get rid of the bump steer.  You can do a curley que between those tie rod ends and it wont change anything. 

Those tie rod ends are significantly weaker than stock.

As for the comments on the 450r stuff being an upgrade, I would really want to see the racing background of the people using them.  Average joes that dont push there bikes may not noticed bump steer like someone that really pushes the limits. 

I guarantee if you went to any A class /Pro am/Pro rider, and cycle there suspension there will not be any bump steer.  It does make a big difference on the handling of the bike if your doing anything but putting around.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 23, 2018, 08:31:11 AM
sorry I thought the same thing on the plane as well and after doing the bends it puts the range of motion on a different plane. I only bent I tie rod to experiment. and swaping out the tie rods does make a difference in comparison. I went back and forth with putting in the bent on and the straight one here is the set up moving forward
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 23, 2018, 08:32:23 AM
I am thanking you all for your support and knowledge to help me along the way
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 24, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
great news arlen called me today he is assembling my motor. but I will have to wait to have it shipped. also my swing arm gas tank and other parts will be finished tomorrow. tonight I leave on a 10 day vacation 2 days in florida and 8 day eastern carribean cruise. Cant wait to leave. Can't wait to get back
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 24, 2018, 05:31:30 PM
and another piece of the puzzle has arrived

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on January 24, 2018, 05:43:36 PM
Sick man. I wish mine was as nice as yours. Keep the updates coming.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on January 24, 2018, 08:12:00 PM
they are all nice we are lucky we enjoy riding no matter what we have, thank you
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Hawgpilot on January 24, 2018, 10:52:51 PM
sorry I thought the same thing on the plane as well and after doing the bends it puts the range of motion on a different plane. I only bent I tie rod to experiment. and swaping out the tie rods does make a difference in comparison. I went back and forth with putting in the bent on and the straight one here is the set up moving forward


That thing is sweet!!  Love those a arms/front end.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 10, 2018, 05:28:31 PM
received tracking # for my motor from led. probably won't see for a week he's in Oregon i'm in massachusetts
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 10, 2018, 09:52:17 PM
fitting my 87 with an 06 swing arm

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 10, 2018, 09:53:33 PM
more pics
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 11, 2018, 05:48:24 PM
coming along


Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: havinnoj on February 12, 2018, 12:32:28 AM
In for more pics and review of the grab bar.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 12, 2018, 11:38:11 AM
still in progress. the truth is a while back I did a little business with rob wicks. so then I asked him if he could make me a front bumper / grab bar. I fabricated a make shift one with some tubing and plates I sent to him and he started to make front bumpers for the 250r. I then sent him a draft for a rear bumper and so the story goes. he made the one that is currently on my bike. I have changed up the configuration on the design for my next grab bar. I will send it out to him. so easy to work with rob does excellent work. wicked metal designs.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 12, 2018, 06:08:00 PM
some added bling. Thanks to Dave at Race Reflections
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on February 12, 2018, 06:16:57 PM
Dang it that's sweet!!!
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Hawgpilot on February 12, 2018, 06:38:37 PM
Looks like you will be spending a lot of time polishing after rides!
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on February 13, 2018, 06:18:18 AM
if you ever want to revert back to the 250r rear, you should try these guys:  https://www.facebook.com/Tyson-Racing-247998605285507/

it will be lighter and stronger than the 450 swinger.  from experience i broke a couple 400ex swingers back in the day that were of the same cast type.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 13, 2018, 06:47:37 PM
hope I never break my swing arm. thank you for the info.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 16, 2018, 08:13:55 PM
just arrived today led 363 trails XC. and a tribute to my friend Barry aka BnDracing.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on February 16, 2018, 08:32:45 PM
Nice what is that clutch setup
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 16, 2018, 08:53:15 PM
esr quick change I got the clear cover from cranked up gear. I had the pressure plat engraved about years ago. waiting for this day
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on February 16, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
Very cool
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on February 17, 2018, 08:04:50 AM
that looks great.  RIP DnB
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 19, 2018, 06:37:28 PM
its here led 350 G
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: havinnoj on February 20, 2018, 02:10:08 PM
Let's get that in the frame!
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 20, 2018, 08:31:27 PM
its gonna be a bit. i'm waiting for some parts for my linkage. won't be seeing that till next week. then I will have a roller if I can figure out adjustments with these 450 components. after that i can install my motor
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on February 24, 2018, 08:43:34 PM
its a roller. but I got a lot of tweaking to do.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on February 24, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
Keeps getting closer
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on February 24, 2018, 11:13:08 PM
It looks good. Man that swing arm looks chrome, but its polished.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 04, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
here's I trick I came up with. i drilled a 5/8 hole so I can grease my 450 carrier I installed in my 87 250r. just loosen the carrier bolts rotate fitting to hole apply grease. I made a rubber plug to keep debris out.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 04, 2018, 12:14:17 PM
here's my 06 450 swing arm installed on my 87 250r

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 04, 2018, 12:28:07 PM
06 450 spindle hub conversion on my 87 250r

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 04, 2018, 12:37:00 PM
here is my 87 250r with 06 450 swingarm . o6 front spindles hubs and shocks ready to install my LED 363

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Tbone07 on March 04, 2018, 09:25:43 PM
Looking sick! Can't wait to see that exhaust mounted up
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 05, 2018, 06:12:24 AM
I had to send expansion chamber back to LED there were some blemish's in the chrome. also I am having them make an adjustment for me oin the LED stamp plate they use. the new one will be a trick set up. 1 of a kind I had to talk Arlen into it. I will post a pic when I have it installed.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on March 05, 2018, 06:21:05 AM
douglas, something doesn't look right on your front end.  doesn't look like your top ball joints are fully seated in the spindle.  could it be an optical illusion?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 05, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
good eye they are just snugged in. have yet to commit on tighting. they adr not designed to full go all the way in . there is a spot there yo apply a wrench on the tapered shaft.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 05, 2018, 08:12:45 PM
87 250r flip top rear fender completed.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 07, 2018, 06:25:01 PM
installing my LED 363. gonna be mad if I scratch up my sh.. . so I broke out my tools just in case.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on March 07, 2018, 08:35:22 PM
Haha that's funny right there. I don't care who you are
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: The norm on March 07, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
How much for the bomb?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 07, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
man I bought that thing in a flea marked 20 years ago paid $ 20 for it.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 08, 2018, 11:43:54 AM
LED 363 is in. now for the fuel tank.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Burns363R on March 08, 2018, 11:51:52 AM
Looking good. 
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 08, 2018, 12:20:27 PM
coming together
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on March 08, 2018, 12:59:39 PM
i spy an LED powerplant.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 08, 2018, 05:33:15 PM
foot peg 450 to 87 250r conversion.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 08, 2018, 05:33:38 PM
about 6 or so years ago. I made a plate to convert 450 pegs on to my 87 250r. I posted it on .net and pumashine took it to the next level and started to offer these to others. i'm glad he did it gives others options for better pegs. oh I was also told that 450 parts on a 250r was not an upgrade by mark carson. good thing I dident listen to the 450 haters.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: rk88r on March 08, 2018, 10:13:04 PM
Nice  work  Douglas.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 09, 2018, 09:06:35 PM
06 swing arm in 87 250r sprocket hub does not line up so time for adjustments. not that I was expecting a perfect line up with the chain. back in the mid 70's I watch and old man line up his front tires on his 64 nova with cement blocks and string. so I comprised a way of measuring the over all movement of the axle in the hub and how much movement there is. using the string method this helps me line up to the front wheels, I ran the string over the top of the wheels to balance out exact balanceleft and right to the front end. I also set up 2 sheat rock squares to aling from the front grab bar bolt. I then measured from the squares to the wheel rim. facing the bike from the rear. with the axle nut snuged up in its stock form it favors the .the swing arm slightly favors the right side by about 5/16 ths of an inch. I will call that base point. at base the chain alignment is off about 11/16 ths of an inch. to determine this I clamped a straight aluminum 3/8 rod to the rear sprocket and up to the front engine sprocket. just for a visual I placed a chain on it. just to see how far off it looked. now from base point I loosened the axle nut and slid the axle over 5/16ths of an inch this gave me better string balance to the front wheels. and reduced the distance on the angle from sprocket alignment by 5/16 ths of an inch. now in order to make up the difference. I am going to mill off 11/ 32 nds of an inch on the sprocket hub on the spring ring side and then re groove out the hub for the spring ring to but up against. I will then place a 11/ 16 ths of an inch spacer between the sprocket hub and the collar that ride onin the bearing seal area and alignment will be achieved.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 09, 2018, 09:09:04 PM
a fw more pics

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 11, 2018, 01:43:38 PM
parts table dwindling

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 13, 2018, 10:40:00 AM
how do I fix this carb alignment ?

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Tbone07 on March 13, 2018, 10:49:30 AM
What intake boot/manifold are you using? That is way way off
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Burns363R on March 13, 2018, 11:05:02 AM
CR intake
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on March 13, 2018, 11:13:53 AM
any chance you have the intake upside down?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 13, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
another pic
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: broken1 on March 13, 2018, 11:52:45 AM
Looks like you have a really thick reed spacer on you engine & with the angle of the intake on the cylinder the thicker the spacer used the higher it raises the carb. Since your not running an air box there's no need to run such a thick spacer. There made more for alignment purposes than performance.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 13, 2018, 11:54:39 AM
I sent all my parts to Arlen I'm sure he set it in right. the intake is from esr. it came with the 370 kit I bought from him about 5 years ago.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 13, 2018, 11:55:55 AM
yes this is what I see as well.. heat gun on the intake ? and cut a little on the frame ?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on March 13, 2018, 11:56:42 AM
that large of an intake spacer is strange.  does arlen has reasoning behind it?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: broken1 on March 13, 2018, 11:57:50 AM
yes this is what I see as well.. heat gun on the intake ? and cut a little on the frame ?


No to either option. Option 3 is to get a thinner spacer until the carb bell drops low enough to clear the frame.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: broken1 on March 13, 2018, 12:12:09 PM
After looking at the side pic of your carb a little closer I don't see the tell tale parting line between what would be the spacer & reed cage. Is that really how thick your reed cage mounting flange is or is there no reed cage in your engine & just a thick black spacer?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 13, 2018, 12:15:39 PM
that is the esr reed cage mounting flange,
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: The norm on March 13, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
I would take that reed block out and machine half off!
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 13, 2018, 12:50:55 PM
maybe just switch to a v force. I runn that on my banshee
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on March 13, 2018, 01:04:44 PM
maybe just switch to a v force. I runn that on my banshee


or a RAD valve
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on March 13, 2018, 02:30:48 PM
Get a cr250 intake boot that should put it close to what you need.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 13, 2018, 03:29:52 PM
what year cr boot ?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Tbone07 on March 13, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
Yowzers that reed spacer is massive. I would just go with a UPP intake boot and VForce. Or just grab a RAD valve
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on March 13, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
I think around 99 to 01. You might have to cut the snuffer off it. I have a Cr reed and boot setup and you have to run a reed spacer to get the alignment right. I do believe mine is a 99. It has the snuffer built into the intake. I'll get pics when I get home.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: broken1 on March 13, 2018, 11:45:49 PM
T
Get a cr250 intake boot that should put it close to what you need.

The CR250 boot comes out at the same angle as the trx boot it's just shorter so that wouldn't change the height the carb is sitting at currently. I have a CR & a TRX rad valve & the entry angles are the same on both. It will pull the carb closer to the engine & give more room to get the boot on but it will still be sitting higher than it should.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jwraymond6 on March 13, 2018, 11:51:48 PM
I the same issue my was hitting the frame I had to remove the spacer was the only it would work for me
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on March 14, 2018, 04:22:10 AM
make front motor mounts that are a bit taller, but, that could throw many things out of tolerance.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 15, 2018, 08:26:20 PM
v force 3 ordered today
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on March 17, 2018, 05:03:43 PM
Keep the updates coming, it looks fricken sweet.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: croat1 on March 17, 2018, 06:29:41 PM
Reading back...any concerns of the chain alignment/spline engagement?

Joe
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 17, 2018, 11:28:44 PM
here's where i'm at with the sprocket chain alignment. the sprocket and axle hub nut is currently at the machine shop. the sprocket on the spring clip side will be milled out 5/32 nds. I feal that milling any deeper will be questionable. then re grooved for the spring clip to set against. a 7/32 nds stainless spacer will be placed between the sprocket and the oem spacer that rides into the carrier bearing seal. doing this will move the axle's position to the left by 13/32 nds  the line up for the sprockets will be 3/64 ths off favoring to the right just a little. by moving the axle over to the left I will also be making adjustments to the right wheel hub. removing the hub I will be placing a 4/32 nds stainless spacer on the right axle spline. to  reinstall the hub the axle castle nut will be milled down on the back flat side 1/16 th this will allow for the cotter pin to be installed. I will also run 3/32 nds stainless on the lug studs behind the rim hub. with all of this this will realign the rear wheels so the assembly as a whole does not appear to be shifted to the left. the 7/32 nds spacer adjustment will move the right wheel hub over for proper alignment. there must be a lot of 450 swing arm conversions out there. I have not heard any one talk of sprocket alignment not once so I did not think it was to much of an issue. for me and the components I am using this is where I am at as a fix on this. I have had others chime in on face book and then say wow now that I look yeah my chain is off a little. for me 15/32nds is off a lot. that's not acceptable to me. I will be getting my sprocket back from the machine shop by the end of the week. I am anxious to install it. 
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 18, 2018, 12:10:32 PM
OMF--- ALSO KNOW AS PAIN IN THE ASS
I went the extra mile one these. all the fasteners are show polished stainless. putting anti seize on all of this was a time consuming effort. almost 2 hours. for 1 wheel. removing the fasteners and reinstalling these.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 19, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
custom 250r intake.   I just picked this up. hope it will help with carb alignment
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: The norm on March 19, 2018, 08:29:04 PM
Who makes it?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jwraymond6 on March 19, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
Who makes it?

Looks like a bhp intake
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 19, 2018, 08:44:18 PM
I have no idea I got it from atvguy. that dude keeps amazing me with his stashed parts
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 23, 2018, 09:06:25 PM
I need a 250r OEM or 400 EX sprocket hub. I need this for my build
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on March 23, 2018, 09:12:02 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rpm-Standard-Sprocket-Hub-Honda-Trx400ex/331394755675?epid=12003643710&hash=item4d28aaac5b:g:MDgAAOSwZKBZLLTw
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 24, 2018, 01:52:55 PM
I did also look at that on ebay jcs003. i was able to find one of facebook. already powder coated and shipped $ 25. you can't beat that
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: croat1 on March 24, 2018, 08:34:59 PM
Who makes it?

Looks like a bhp intake
I'm pretty sure BHP intakes are 4 bolt

Joe
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: croat1 on March 24, 2018, 08:37:14 PM
v force 3 ordered today

Douglas, you ordered the 3's thinking it would solve the alignment problem?

Joe
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on March 24, 2018, 10:26:50 PM
Who makes it?

Looks like a bhp intake
I'm pretty sure BHP intakes are 4 bolt

Joe
you are right Joe the bhp intakes do not have the center bolts
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 25, 2018, 05:39:03 AM
Who makes it?

Looks like a bhp intake
I'm pretty sure BHP intakes are 4 bolt

Joe
you are right Joe the bhp intakes do not have the center bolts
v force 3 ordered today

Douglas, you ordered the 3's thinking it would solve the alignment problem?

Joe
this is a new problem to me. been almost 7 years since I started to hoard parts for this bike. also this is my very first 250r. not once have I ever seen a post or a mention of the carb alignment. I am amazed that there was never a topic of conversation that I ever picked up on this. being a big bore ESR cylinder in a stock frame apparently seams to be a fitment problem. there seams to be a matter of opinion on this to run the spacer or not. Arlen built my motor I did not speak to him about the carb alignment till I had already bought the V3. I sent him my ESR reed block for him to install with the build. when he looked over what I sent him and said what carb I had and what type of riding I did. he made changes to the engine build. # 1  he did not want to use my OEM stroked crank that ESR did for me. # 2 the carbs I had were not what he would recommend for this build. and he suggested for me to not use the PV cylinder. there was no mention on his part on the ESR reed block. of course at first I questioned the reasons for the changes but Without hesitation I followed his lead. I got the motor back fully assembled reed block and intake installed. I put the motor in mostly focused on not scratching the frame first [ hahahahahahahaha ]. my first priority was sprocket alignment since I was using a 450 swinger. once I addressed most of that I had my shock line I need to make sure there was clearance for the intake. so I tried to install my carb. The ESR reed block I have is the thick one. I posted this information on .net .org and both face book sites. got mixed opinions on it. most expressed that I needed a spacer plate. and with the thicker reed block this only made the alignment worse. I did not know that ESR also has a smaller reed block. thinking the V3 would solve my problem with the spacer only put me back to where I was same alignment. now most everyone is telling me to use the spacer plate. So I called Arlen and talked about this with him. he expressed that on his engine build that the spacer plate does not need to be used. he cleans up all the casting on the intake side. even with all this the carb alignment is not that good. yeah you can make it work I can see that but its still not an easy fit. atvguy gave me the aluminum intake to try on this being that it does not have a built in boot it is to long and the angle is a little better. I have been tinkering with a mock up of a new intake. I made a template and cut a few angled pieces. looking at this from all options. for now the best alignment I see is to run the V3 with no spacer. any advice would help.
thank you
Douglas
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: The norm on March 25, 2018, 11:57:28 AM
Douglas,  I have been running an esr cylinder for a few years and do not have much issue with alignment. I have an upp intake boot Vforce 3 reeds with a .250" spacer. Im also using a stock airbox boot so that helps I'm sure. I at one time ran without the spacer, but I kept going through reeds. Some do not have that problem. I suggest using a stock boot or a cr250 boot. Do not cut your frame! http://www.imagebam.com/image/0f34cf795045153http://www.imagebam.com/image/43808f795049113
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on March 25, 2018, 12:17:42 PM
On my 330 pro x cylinder. With vf2 reeds and a stock intake. My alignment was not great. I had to pull the carb down to meet with the intake. I really didn't think of it has much of an issue. It was also a brand new stock intake.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on March 25, 2018, 04:23:17 PM
Have u thought about getting the short body carb? It might solve mounting issues. I've always had a miserable time with my 39mm and reedspacer. Never did find the right combo that helped with alignment. I have the VF3 to
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 25, 2018, 04:48:52 PM
Douglas,  I have been running an esr cylinder for a few years and do not have much issue with alignment. I have an upp intake boot Vforce 3 reeds with a .250" spacer. Im also using a stock airbox boot so that helps I'm sure. I at one time ran without the spacer, but I kept going through reeds. Some do not have that problem. I suggest using a stock boot or a cr250 boot. Do not cut your frame! http://www.imagebam.com/image/0f34cf795045153http://www.imagebam.com/image/43808f795049113

yeah I do not want to cut the frame that's for sure. i have the cr boot and 2 oem boots the cr is out it puts the carb towards the frame rail. the stock boot and still is a little out. i just thought there would have been a better option. i am running an LED intake its not so much the intake positin its the carbs position. thank you for the pics. atvguy has 10 fully built 250r's he is only 1 mile from the house. i have looked over all of his set ups.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on March 25, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
Have u thought about getting the short body carb? It might solve mounting issues. I've always had a miserable time with my 39mm and reedspacer. Never did find the right combo that helped with alignment. I have the VF3 to
i never thought about the short body carb. i'm sure it would give more room in this area
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on April 17, 2018, 05:54:32 PM
i got to get back to my bike and do some more work. today I mounted another tire to one of my OMF wheels I now have the front ones assembled. back to the drawing board on my swing arm. sprocket alignment with the 450 swing arm using the 450 axle is not going to work. I pulled the axle out and put in an 87 250r axle. using the 450 components locking nut brake stay rotor and caliper it all fits. the sprocket alignment is out 1/8 of an inch easy fix with a machined spacer onto the axle. only problem is I would have to purchase a new one as my 87 axle is not pretty. i'm trying to save my 450 axle as I have chromed it and also chromed my wheel hubs. so I removed the sprocket hub off the 87 250r axle to see if it will fit onto the 450 axle. the splines are the same as well as the diameter. the only thing that is different is the 450 axle has a shoulder stop near the bearing race. so the 250r sprocket hub needs to be machined a little on the inner part of the I.D. also the splines are longer on the 250 than on the 450 this is the same area that is going to be machined. the 450 splines are about 1 inch the 250r is about 1 1/4. they are matching on the axles as well so during installation you can push back a little to remove the spring clip. I brought the sprocket hub down to the machine shop to be modified for me. should have it next week.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: The norm on April 17, 2018, 09:21:49 PM
Or you could use a 250r swingarm? Not understanding why going through all this trouble with 450r components is worth it?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on April 18, 2018, 04:57:27 AM
i got to get back to my bike and do some more work. today I mounted another tire to one of my OMF wheels I now have the front ones assembled. back to the drawing board on my swing arm. sprocket alignment with the 450 swing arm using the 450 axle is not going to work. I pulled the axle out and put in an 87 250r axle. using the 450 components locking nut brake stay rotor and caliper it all fits. the sprocket alignment is out 1/8 of an inch easy fix with a machined spacer onto the axle. only problem is I would have to purchase a new one as my 87 axle is not pretty. i'm trying to save my 450 axle as I have chromed it and also chromed my wheel hubs. so I removed the sprocket hub off the 87 250r axle to see if it will fit onto the 450 axle. the splines are the same as well as the diameter. the only thing that is different is the 450 axle has a shoulder stop near the bearing race. so the 250r sprocket hub needs to be machined a little on the inner part of the I.D. also the splines are longer on the 250 than on the 450 this is the same area that is going to be machined. the 450 splines are about 1 inch the 250r is about 1 1/4. they are matching on the axles as well so during installation you can push back a little to remove the spring clip. I brought the sprocket hub down to the machine shop to be modified for me. should have it next week.

sell the 450 stuff and get 250r stuff.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on April 18, 2018, 05:20:32 AM
 yeah I see all the extra work believe me. I am by no means am comparing myself to any other person out there. if I found a way to make this work and it was an option for others then that's awesome. if its only for me then that's what I set out to do. before there were after market frames any one who first came out with the idea was scoffed at. not comparing but just pointing out that even these early thoughts to build there own frames were laughed at. but it was for them its what they wanted. I would not recommend any one to try much of this its frustrating and costly. To me its a challenge to see if I can get past the next problem.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: havinnoj on April 18, 2018, 01:34:21 PM
Glad you're finding the fun in the alignment issue @DOUGLAS
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on April 18, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
Glad you're finding the fun in the alignment issue @DOUGLAS
It just needs to be aligned fairly well or you get chain derailment and damaged cases.  nobody want that.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on April 29, 2018, 06:21:25 PM
build is a little slow. led pipe to arrive care of ups tomorrow. got my 87 sprocket hub back from the machine shop. had to mod it a little to fit the 450 axel. after I checked for fitment I sent my sprocket hub out to be chromed. also sent out my led intake, dog bone linkage and my case saver out to the polisher. in the market for a chain now. whats every one using for a chain ? x ring
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on April 30, 2018, 04:56:40 AM
I use a standard chain; non-o-ring.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Burns363R on April 30, 2018, 07:13:31 AM
Non O ring for MX, O-Ring for XC
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: The norm on April 30, 2018, 08:02:32 AM
"O"ring or non is up to you. There are different opinions on which is better. If you plan on doing much riding I would suggest buying a top quality chain. Stay away from the super cheap chains on Ebay
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on April 30, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
Can't wait to see the exhaust!! Keep the updates Rollin
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on April 30, 2018, 01:49:43 PM
what specifically are you have done with the exhaust?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on April 30, 2018, 08:37:31 PM
just got my pipe today from LED. what I am doing is I had arlen weld 2 small round 1/2 inch threaded  blocks. they are exactly where he normaly would weld his led plate onto the pipe. I am having rob wicked metal designs make me a led emblem/ plate that will mount ont this it will sit up 1/2 inch off the pipe and it will be ceramic coated black.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Sand_Blaster on May 02, 2018, 01:34:15 PM
Also I'd personally go with a did oring chain. I've ran non oring chains before and they make alot more noise, and creak & pop all the time after awhile. Just my two cents
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: The norm on May 02, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
Also I'd personally go with a did oring chain. I've ran non oring chains before and they make alot more noise, and creak & pop all the time after awhile. Just my two cents

Lube?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on July 23, 2018, 07:39:47 PM
talk about a slow build. just ordered my brake lines directly from stream line. waiting on my custom rear grab bar and some honda and 250r emblems I had custom made through rob. wicks at wicked metal designs. seams there's always a lot goin on. no time to tinker with my bike. to finish I still need a chain some custom stainless washers for my omf wheels. need to get my seat done some graphics applied I already have them radiator hoses. a few chromed items still need to be sent out. lost some oil from the rear shock by repositioning the line. it leaked out when I loosened it up to much. going to have to send it out for service. carb needs to be sent out for polishing. I sent my ccp puck style steering dampener out to be polished I have to assemble it as well. there's not a lot but for me i can't find the time and money is tight now. about a month ago i did get some other parts back from the polisher. I have what 7 years into this now. so what's another 4 months 8 months 1 year. it has to be right the way I see it
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: 2Nubs on July 24, 2018, 04:54:21 PM
7 years, wow! That is saying something for your patience haha. Everything looks top notch. Looking forward to seeing the finished product.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 23, 2018, 06:40:23 PM
fitting led pipe. 
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 23, 2018, 09:00:55 PM
JUST SOME ADDED GOODIES. 
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 23, 2018, 09:01:35 PM
SUCCESS CORRECT CHAIN ALIGNMENT 
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 23, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
 06 450 swingarm in my 87 250r. correct chain alignment took some time but I got it. I used the 450 axle. to do this I had to use the 250r sprocket hub. I also had to machine it just a little to fit. the splines are the same only the depth was a little different. its spot on. the chain guide and roller has to be bumped out a little.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on August 23, 2018, 11:22:55 PM
Congrats on getting it figured out. Will not be long till braaap
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: 2Nubs on August 24, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
Douglas, my biscuit got cold while I was drooling/scrolling through this thread. Such a nice build.

Random question, is your house a cave? Haha that is probably the coolest garage I have ever seen.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 24, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
its my basement.i turned it into a shop
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: 2Nubs on August 24, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
Is that a kind of insulation on your walls? I've never seen anything like that.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: havinnoj on August 24, 2018, 12:30:20 PM
Glad to see you progressing Doug! 
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 24, 2018, 06:58:32 PM
Glad to see you progressing Doug! 

the house was built in 19 13 3 walls granit I wall field stone. I power washed the walls and calked every crack. put 2 coats of drylock paint on then 2 top
coats of paint
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 24, 2018, 08:46:34 PM
OMF rear wheels assembled. spent some time in the shop today on my wheels got the rears set up. I swapped out the fasteners for show polished stainless.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: 2Nubs on August 25, 2018, 01:04:45 AM
Glad to see you progressing Doug! 

the house was built in 19 13 3 walls granit I wall field stone. I power washed the walls and calked every crack. put 2 coats of drylock paint on then 2 top
coats of paint

That is very cool! I thought it looked too natural to be “fake” rock ha

Gonna drool some more now over the OMF’s.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 27, 2018, 09:00:06 PM
carbs on it way back to me

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 27, 2018, 09:00:48 PM
and another goodie. thanks to race reflections
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: 2Nubs on August 27, 2018, 09:07:43 PM
Wow. I don’t even want to know how they get in all the nooks and crannys of a carb. That is beautiful, Douglas.

I think you better buy a second R so you have one to ride. This one will surely blind everyone  ;D
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on August 27, 2018, 09:36:58 PM
Dave at Race Reflections does awesome work.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on September 01, 2018, 07:56:06 AM
rear flip top fender is working out great.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on September 01, 2018, 07:57:36 AM
rear resi custom clamps I had made I did not like the metal to metal contact so I also added clearance for rubber mounts.

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: Action69 on September 19, 2018, 10:24:36 AM
Hey Douglas I read in a previous post that you had the clear cover for the clutch quick change cover.Im installing an ESR quick change cover and was wondering what the clear cover was made of?Plexiglass?is it still using the rubber o ring?thanks for any input..
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on September 19, 2018, 06:18:20 PM
o rings yes. I got it from cranked up gear. give them a call. sandy I think
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on September 26, 2018, 06:30:10 AM
some thing a little different. ceramic coated coated by one of the best guys out there Rob Wicks wickedmetaldesign

Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on September 26, 2018, 07:40:35 AM
pipe looks awesome.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: 2Nubs on September 26, 2018, 09:27:05 AM
Real nice. I like the black name plate.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on September 26, 2018, 11:45:51 AM
they are killing me on face book lol
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: 2Nubs on September 26, 2018, 11:55:28 AM
Compliments or being haters?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: jcs003 on September 26, 2018, 12:16:58 PM
they are killing me on face book lol

who?  mattus?
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on September 26, 2018, 01:20:52 PM
its all good gives them some thing to do.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: hickwheeler on September 26, 2018, 01:32:17 PM
Pipe looks good douglas
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: tosaw on September 26, 2018, 08:14:07 PM
It IS different but I think it's cool. F the haters.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: sameltoe on September 26, 2018, 11:29:29 PM
Wonder how that would work on the stinger, kind of a heatshield for the plastics.
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: croat1 on September 13, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
@DOUGLAS any updates? Ride report?

Joe
Title: Re: starting my build
Post by: DOUGLAS on September 29, 2019, 07:07:54 PM
been double triple time with work, my bike just sits on the atv lift waiting for some time from me. i look at it a lot LOL some day i'll get to it