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Hybrid => Hybrid 250R => Topic started by: CADWELL on September 03, 2013, 12:08:34 AM
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Well I just joined the site today and I really like what I see from the browsing I've done. I figured I'd contribute a little bit and share what's been in the works for me for about 2 weeks now. It'll be the first hybrid rebuild I've done although I have done some YFZ rebuilds, this hybrid and motor will be new to me. One thing that's always worried me about these Laegers are the limited availability of parts. I'm a huge Walsh fan, but when a trade presented itself for my previous all Walsh YFZ for this Laeger, I couldn't pass it up.
I took this hybrid straight to the track without revalving my shocks and it handled great. I rode the **** out of it but its been well over a year since its seen a track. I pulled out all my MX DVDs and have been slowly getting the itch. So I figured I'd get back into what I love doing and give this thing a little love.
I really wanted to get my hands a Walsh/'04 YZ hybrid, but I ended up finding this one in Cali and traded it straight up for my freshly built Walsh YFZ along with some other stuff and a lonnng ass drive haha.This is what it looked like when I brought it home after 12 hours of driving to San Bernardino and back to Tucson.
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Started the tear down
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I hate these kind of surprises...needless to say it did set me back a bit as I was only planning on doing a top end.
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Here's the motor
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Just about ready for PC!
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Parts started coming in.
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Still trying to figure out what to do with these.
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Saweet! Man with all these hybrids....gets a guy thinkin.....
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Welcome to the site and nice find man, it looks like you got a great bike and a awesome build too.
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Nice start for sure
Thanks man, nice site BTW.
Saweet! Man with all these hybrids....gets a guy thinkin.....
Dive right in! If you race or ride MX at all, they're definitely very nice and easy to ride.
Welcome to the site and nice find man, it looks like you got a great bike and a awesome build too.
Thanks!
Yeah I got real lucky acquiring this thing in that the guy I got it from did a trade with me on my Walsh Yfz. The YFZ wasn't a slouch by any means, but he didn't let go of the Laeger that easy...I included some other YFZ stuff that I had to sacrifice. I've never turned back or regretted it though...love this thing.
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Not much to report on today other than I tore down the FCR. Needless to say I figured out why my Hotstarted really didn't perform like a hot start haha. The plunger was getting hung up and was gummed up pretty bad. I lobbed up the cable and cleaned out the carb with break cleaner.
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Just thought I'd share this pic of a Gibson YFZ build I did back in '09, the grey on this frame is what Im going with again on this build. There will be a lot of this grey featured on the bike along with a Cardinal Coatings RD03 90% gloss. I'm anxious to get all the PC back because sometimes it's a toss up on the end result...the color charts are hard to judge most of the time...
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Well I got home from work today and took apart the Sparks. One thing that I can really care less about this bike is how the exhaust silencer bottoms out on the caliper. I'm not sure even the best valves shock in the world can avoid this unless its stiff as shit haha.
First thing Monday Ill be calling Sparks about a new pillow and see if they have replacement Cans. While browsing on their website I noticed they offer a Sparks CP piston for a reasonable price so Ill be inquiring about that.
To the fellow Hybrid owners out there, what do you guys do to avoid the dented Can?.........I've tried a spacer on the mounting bracket, but I could only go so far out without jamming the mid pipe into the frame down tube...
Freakin end cap was damn near seized on there.
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Packing was in pretty bad shape.
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All apart.
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With my sparks on my laeger I've got like 3 1/2 spacers in there lol! I also cut off the lower mount to where it mounts to sub frame! Also usin a 450r rear caliper it's a lil different as to where it mounts / how it mounts
and yes my pipe is right up against the down tubing of my frame and yes it pisses me off lol
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With my sparks on my laeger I've got like 3 1/2 spacers in there lol! I also cut off the lower mount to where it mounts to sub frame! Also usin a 450r rear caliper it's a lil different as to where it mounts / how it mounts
and yes my pipe is right up against the down tubing of my frame and yes it pisses me off lol
LOL
I'll tell what man if I had someone that could machine billet aluminum, I'd like to talk to them about this issue and see if having a custom brake stay made to rotate the caliper backwards about 45 deg more can be done...I wonder if that would do the trick.....
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I have the dream brake stay that uses the 02-03 crf450 front caliper that I was gonna put on my Walsh build wonder if it mounts any different?
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I have the dream brake stay that uses the 02-03 crf450 front caliper that I was gonna put on my Walsh build wonder if it mounts any different?
When you mentioned this Dream bracket, I remembered removing a bracket the mounts to rear brake stay caliper holes and then has separate holes for the caliper. It's not a Dream though, but I think it's a Honda part because it has the name Nissin on it. The caliper on my setup though mounts directly underneath the exhaust....I tried Googling the Dream one but can't find any pics on it.
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The crf caliper is slightly shorter ~1/8" and protrudes to the right ~1/4" less also. I haven't tested it for clearance yet though.
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Andy at Maul Tech can set up the crf calipers to work. Another option is to see if you can get an exhaust kit unwelded. The p/o of my Houser got the Motoworks kit for an 04-05 450r then tig welded it up,no frame rub or caliper dents.
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Andy at Maul Tech can set up the crf calipers to work. Another option is to see if you can get an exhaust kit unwelded. The p/o of my Houser got the Motoworks kit for an 04-05 450r then tig welded it up,no frame rub or caliper dents.
I'd love to get an unweeded kit, but I'm a beginner at MIG myself so I'd definitely have to pay some one to do it. At this point I have so many little things to cover on this build that I really can't afford to go that route. A while back I talked to the original builder of danhung's Laeger EFI CRF450 who had a shop in PHX who said he'd fab up a DASA for me which is what I'd love to have.
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Well not mush to report at this point. I talked to the powder coater last week and I should be getting a call any day now to get my stuff back. It's hard to believe its been 3 weeks since I dropped the stuff off, but it was a lot of it and the majority of it had old PC and chrome on it which was gonna require a lot of blasting and prepping. There will be NO chrome on this build BTW...
I did however get the motor parts ordered. I made trip up to PHX to visit my friends at Dirt Fiend Racing and had Rudy order the rest of my parts. It really bothered me that I was gonna split the cases and not replace the crank so I had him order me a Hot Rods which turned out to be a set back financially, but better in the long run.
My absolute favorite about rebuilds is suspension. I felt like a HUGE weight was lifted of my shoulders when I finally sent my shocks to Micah at Custom AXIS. He's answered all my questions and gave me his honest opinion about some stuff so I'm excited to get them back. As much as I wanted to go with Ti springs I decided to skip them. The cost to benefit was just not worth it after talking to Micah about it. So I'm going with a piggyback triple adjust upgrade for the fronts, PRS upgrade for the rear as well as a dual spring set-up for the rear and service and re-valve for all of them.
Gonna take 7 days to get to the other side of the country...$45 to ship with UPS....
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Got some new beef for the rear...new Axecaliber with new LSR. Anti-Fade
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Got down to the nitty gritty this weekend and started tearing down the motor. I found a few nice surprises for one which is always nice. Has a Hinson clutch basket in great shape as well as the Nikasil plating on the jug which is in excellent shape.
Should be getting a package from Dirt Fiend Racing next week with. CP piston and a Hot Rods crank. I'll also be tearing the valve train apart to see if everything is in spec....I'm almost willing to just pull the trigger on at least a new SS intake valve kit...probably Kibblewhites...not sure though.
the valve train currently has dual stage springs, is that the OEM setup with the Ti valves?
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Had a Pro X piston in it...wrist pin looked like it was still in great shape.
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About it to split the cases.....didn't know about the "special" counter balancer lock nut socket I will end up needing haha
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Lookin good making good progress man! Pretty sure factory doesn't come with dual springs...yea you might as well go ahead and update the valve train...that's one of the first things that starts to wear on on the motor..also make sure the timing chain hasn't stretched to much!
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Lookin good making good progress man! Pretty sure factory doesn't come with dual springs...yea you might as well go ahead and update the valve train...that's one of the first things that starts to wear on on the motor..also make sure the timing chain hasn't stretched to much!
Thanks for the compliment man! Yeah I figured OEM wasn't a dual spring set-up after looking at some micro fiche diags. It's mind numbing how quick stuff starts to add up, first it was pulling the trigger on a new crank, now a new valve train..just seems one thing leads to another...like port work.....but I'll put that on the back burner for now haha...Should be a strong running motor though once its all put together.
I have a new OEM timing chain going in for sure...I figured might as well since everything else is being replaced.
Does anyone have an opinion on what valves to go with as far as SS? I'm thinking either Kibblewhites or Ferreas....
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Calling other Laeger/CRF guys....I need a little bit of help and possibly pics of your pet cock set-ups please...
when I got this bike, it had a cheapo inline plastic valve the didn't mount on anything and basically flopped around between the tank and the carb. I'm looking to do it right with the proper pet cock, but the space between the valve cover and the gas tank is limited. The only piece coming out of the gas tank is a 90deg brass fitting the faces towards the front of the gas tank...any help would be appreciated...thanks!!!
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My Houser has the same 90 degree and uses what I think is a stock crf shutoff. I just stuck the blue hose on there to show wher it goes through,I run a fuel filter just before the bracket. It is a tight fit to bolt the valve to the frame but there about a half inch between the nut and the valve cover. Dan is cooler then us "non-injected guys"..LOL
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At times I wish it had a carb, seriously. I need to get the bike dialed in, never thought I'd be bringing a laptop with me to go riding. LOL!
Lol damn..yea dan don't count haha
text me man I gotta couple ideas
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I don't have a petcock, mine has a fuel pump welded to the tank. :wink-new:
Try a pingle, it should mount directly to the tank.
What a tease Dan haha...
I don't thin I can fit a pet cock that mounts directly to the tank as I have VERY limited space. I'll have to look at the Pingles though and see if it'd work.
My Houser has the same 90 degree and uses what I think is a stock crf shutoff. I just stuck the blue hose on there to show wher it goes through,I run a fuel filter just before the bracket. It is a tight fit to bolt the valve to the frame but there about a half inch between the nut and the valve cover. Dan is cooler then us "non-injected guys"..LOL
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Hell yeah! Thanks for the pics man...I think this is the route I may go. A buddy of mine that has a '03 Walsh/YZ450 has that same pet cock and it fits nicrly on the side of the frame. Really appreciate the pics!!!
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No problem and keep us posted!
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Well, I discovered another nice surprise today while I tore the valve train down. Not only are the springs in great condition, but this thing already has Black Diamond KPMI's in it! They still have plenty of shoulder left and a nice tight seal with the valve seats. I used a thin gauge Forney cone wire head on my Makita and cleaned out the valve dome and ports. After 2 cans of brake clean and plenty of scrubbing, man I wish I could send this thing off for some nice port work lol...
I live down the street from Racer's Edge who did a fantastic job on a YFZ head for me, but I'm just not quite sure who I'd send this CRF head too...probably lean towards Sparks or Baldwin, but that's another project down the road.
I made my own little valve retainer remover from a 17mm Chinese socket and a BF C-clamp haha...
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Very nice suprise! Baldwin,Dasa and Rage are hot right now,my buddies 501 Baldwin Trx make ungodly amounts of power. Another not so well know choice is Jay Riddle Racing,local to me,he can do some amazing work! But Im in the same boat as you,port work will have to wait
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Very nice suprise! Baldwin,Dasa and Rage are hot right now,my buddies 501 Baldwin Trx make ungodly amounts of power. Another not so well know choice is Jay Riddle Racing,local to me,he can do some amazing work! But Im in the same boat as you,port work will have to wait
Funny you mention RAGE...I was researching some of Dee's work and I know he's always been one of the best out there.
DASA has always done great work as well, but the last time I remember reading and hearing is that the turn around time was stupid ridiculous unless you were high in the ranks of Racing...
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I've heard that about Dasa too. Venom used to be poplular too but I havent heard much out of them lately
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Well, I discovered another nice surprise today while I tore the valve train down. Not only are the springs in great condition, but this thing already has Black Diamond KPMI's in it! They still have plenty of shoulder left and a nice tight seal with the valve seats. I used a thin gauge Forney cone wire head on my Makita and cleaned out the valve dome and ports. After 2 cans of brake clean and plenty of scrubbing, man I wish I could send this thing off for some nice port work lol...
I live down the street from Racer's Edge who did a fantastic job on a YFZ head for me, but I'm just not quite sure who I'd send this CRF head too...probably lean towards Sparks or Baldwin, but that's another project down the road.
try Jessie at extreme dirt works in Tennessee, I here great things about his porting the crf heads for running in trx motors as well as the crf
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I need some more help fellas please.
so it appears as though I have the CRF pivot bolt and it's a PITA because it doesn't have a hex head like a typical ATV pivot bolt. All it has as 2 flat sides which makes it a PITA to get a grip on to tighten without scraping the PC.
What other pivot bolts can I use and what pivot bearings do I need????
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Now Im not sure who can answer this question but I have heard that Ltr bolts can be cut down and welded to work,which doesnt sound like a good idea. Houser uses yfz450 or Banshee swingarm bearings with wr/yz400dust caps and thrust bearings and yz 426 collars,and their own special made swingarms bolt ($85.79!!). I have the part numbers if you need them but honestly it would be a crap shoot...lol Not sure if Chopp124 is on here on not,hes on the other sites,but you may try talking to him,I have his number if you need it. Good guy and knows quit a bit about hybrid special parts
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Now Im not sure who can answer this question but I have heard that Ltr bolts can be cut down and welded to work,which doesnt sound like a good idea. Houser uses yfz450 or Banshee swingarm bearings with wr/yz400dust caps and thrust bearings and yz 426 collars,and their own special made swingarms bolt ($85.79!!). I have the part numbers if you need them but honestly it would be a crap shoot...lol Not sure if Chopp124 is on here on not,hes on the other sites,but you may try talking to him,I have his number if you need it. Good guy and knows quit a bit about hybrid special parts
Oh damn...it sounds complicated lol..
I guess what I could do is find a misc suspension nut from my Japanese ATV scrap nut and bolt bin and weld it to the end of the CRF pivot bolt...but the bearings are still in question. I wonder if Walsh may have a kit from their version of the CR500 CRF hybrid....
or I may have to get a hold of this chopp fellow and see what he says...
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I would imagine Laeger did it simpler,lol. Now even more confusing,I had a Lrd aluminum crf made for Ballance Bros.,the alum was so thick I have NO CLUE what would've worked for that,it had a Laeger swingarm(400ex). Another option would be to contact JB Racing,they did alot of their own frames and 400ex conversions. Orrrrrrr I know for a fact that a few members on here and Atvriders can contact Mark himself and ask directly,maybe they will step up and PM you...lol
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Why not just put a washer on the bolt first and use a wrench?
Dan the problem is the the head of the CRF bolt is not only round with 2 flat sides, but it's only about 1/8" - 1/4" thick and the down tube of the frame as well as the kicker housing on the right side cover combined only allow for so much room.
i did a search on ATVRIDERS...seems like a lot of the Honda bolts in general are universal...but the bearings maybe be CRF pivot bearings.....SMH.....
http://www.atvriders.com/vbb/search.php?searchid=21080
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You need the Laeger version of this..LOL
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Hmmm...I wonder if these would work for a Laeger...
http://walshrc.com/shop/trx450r/86972-trx-style-pivot-bolt.html
http://walshrc.com/shop/crf450r-2002-8/120081-crf-450r-engine-pivot-bushings.html
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Hmmm...I wonder if these would work for a Laeger...
http://walshrc.com/shop/trx450r/86972-trx-style-pivot-bolt.html
http://walshrc.com/shop/crf450r-2002-8/120081-crf-450r-engine-pivot-bushings.html
nope!
I have the same pivot bolt. A washer will fit between the head of the pivot bolt and frame. Then use a 19mm wrench, the washer will move it out some. Then have someone use an impact on the other side. It will work.
this! Or just get a buddy to help ya and hold the bolt with an end wrench very carefully...I was in same boat and got a buddy to hold the bolt while I torqued the nut done!
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All of the hybrids I have seen and worked on always use the 250r pivot bearings, And from what I read all Honda swingarm bolts are universal I'm using a stock 450 in my R.
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All of the hybrids I have seen and worked on always use the 250r pivot bearings, And from what I read all Honda swingarm bolts are universal I'm using a stock 450 in my R.
Most do...but the laeger uses the CRF bolt...and like Eric said the houser is different as well
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Off the subject but what rear master and pedal do the Laegers use? Mine uses Crf,and Deuces yz Housers use yz parts iirc.
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I have the same pivot bolt. A washer will fit between the head of the pivot bolt and frame. Then use a 19mm wrench, the washer will move it out some. Then have someone use an impact on the other side. It will work.
Ahh I see... I assumed sine the head of the bolt resembled nothing like a hex bolt that I couldn't use a socket...I'll have to use the washer trick....thanks Dan!
You need the Laeger version of this..LOL
That instruction and parts guide is awesome!! Would love to have one from Laeger !
Off the subject but what rear master and pedal do the Laegers use? Mine uses Crf,and Deuces yz Housers use yz parts iirc.
Good question. I'm sure I'll be tackling that subject soon as well. The guy I got this from had the linkage zip tied up when I got it from him lol....I'm gonna assume that I have a CRF set-up but I'll have to do some research....
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Most Laeger's used the same parts off the dirt bike, so if it's a true CRF it should be a CRF pedal. Mines a converted YZ, so I have a YZ pedal. I asked Mark this exact question, and he said he basically didn't want the parts to go to "waste".
Makes alot of sense Dan. Thanks for the advice. So I'm guessing this thing will have CRF450 pivot bearings, but I'll have to do a bit more research.
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Well I'm just about done buttoning up the power plant on this beast. Just waiting for my Hot Cams shim kit to come in the mail along with some TUSK oil caps and timing plugs from RMATV. Also waiting on my TM Designs Poly case saver, ESR Temp gauge and possibly looking at some CV4 hoses. Just trying to justify the price on them...although those damn Chinese cheapies do look tempting at that price on Ebay, but it seems as though they may only be able to withstand temps of up to 260 deg which is cheap haha.
This was the frst Honda motor I've split the cases on and although I've done plenty of YFZ motors, the Clymers book really came in handy. Over all I'd have to say between the 2, the YFZ is a more simpler design.....BUT....I love the cleaner look of a wet sump motor in a frame rather than dealing with oil tanks and hoses, so dealing with extra seals and such isn't a big deal at all.
Just a summary of what went into the motor:
Replaced right side case
New OEM crank
New OEM main bearings
New OEM main seals
New OEM balancer shaft bearings
New OEM balancer shaft seals
New CP Piston 12.5:1 shelf
New OEM Timing chain
New OEM rebuilt W/P
Renthal 13 tooth sprocket
All new OEM gaskets
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CP Pistom...MMMMMMMM
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Looking good! Excellent choice with the Cp piston,hands down the best as far as 4 stroke pistons go. Make sure and post a pic of the poly case saver when you get it,mine came with a Moose that I will probly change. As far as hoses go,which application/quad would work,and what radiator do you have?The Gpi ebay hoses arent too bad,but definately not Cv4 quality!
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Looking good! Excellent choice with the Cp piston,hands down the best as far as 4 stroke pistons go. Make sure and post a pic of the poly case saver when you get it,mine came with a Moose that I will probly change. As far as hoses go,which application/quad would work,and what radiator do you have?The Gpi ebay hoses arent too bad,but definately not Cv4 quality!
I can't remember where I read it but apparently 700r Raptor hoses are long enough with a couple bends to play with so that's probably what I'm gonna go with.
Hell I may even do the GPI hoses as well haha.
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Well exciting day today...FINALLY got my Powder coat back!!
I'm really pleased with the work North American Powder Coating did. The red that I picked out from the Cardinal chart was a bit redder than I thought would be which I was hoping for. I also got the motor buttoned up and should be ready to fire...hopefully on the first kick haha.
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Here's the motor with the TM Designworks poly case saver.
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Holy powder!!! Lol,looks good and cant wait to see it all together! I do like that case saver,think I will have to order one.
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Holy powder!!! Lol,looks good and cant wait to see it all together! I do like that case saver,think I will have to order one.
Thanks man!
yeah I can't wait to get it all together myself. Now I'm just waiting on Custom Axis to send my shocks back. Just getting this PC though will keep me busy for a few days.
Called Dirt Fiend Racing on rear Honda red Laker Custom plastics( going with a 2 tone scheme) and some fresh new graphics to bring everything together.
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Just a quick teaser.
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Looking good,keep the pics coming!!
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Looking good,keep the pics coming!!
Thanks man!
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Well I have a couple more progress pics but not much. I wish my pics had better quality, but all I have at the moment to take them is my Mini iPad which evidentlly has a pretty shitty camera based on the quality of the pics. The pics don't do it justice and I'll try to get the bike under the sunn for some nicer pics of how it looks.
At this point I'm pretty much at a stand still because of a few things. Custom AXIS still has contacted me on my shock work yet and they've had my shocks for 2 weeks now. I'll have to get in touch with someone as I was told they were like 1-2 weeks out so maybe this week will be my turn!!!
Also the exhaust.....I contacted both Sparks and DASA. Sparks told me that a replacement Canister couldn't be mailed out to me without sending my complete exhaust system to them in case the had to make an entire rear section because of the age of the kit and how technology has come along since '03. So this info kinda threw a kink in my plans and I figured...new exhaust, why not haha. So I called DASA who I'm a HUGE fan of, but they said that even if I sent them my Sparks kit that they'd have to make a jig anyways which would bring the cost to $2000 LOL. Sooo....at this point I'm 99% sure I want a new exhaust system, but I don't know if I should go Sparks or find someone that can moch up and weld a DASA for a Laeger CRF without having the actual bike.
Any suggestions??
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/image_zps27a11621.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/image_zpsb4376f13.jpg)
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What pivot bearings did it wind up being for future reference? Looks great, I really liked your old YFZ with the grey and blue and I think this build will top that.
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What pivot bearings did it wind up being for future reference? Looks great, I really liked your old YFZ with the grey and blue and I think this build will top that.
Ended up using a 2004 CRF450 pivot kit.
Thanks man! That YFZ was the first ever rebuild I ever did. I told myself I wouldn't go all out again like that, but this build is almost turning out that way just based on the wallet haha.
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everything looks great. very impressive cadwell.
john
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everything looks great. very impressive cadwell.
john
Thanks John I appreciate the compliment!
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Very cool Caldwell. I noticed you have one to many t-pin steering stems. Wanna sell one? :beguiled:
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Well I have a couple more progress pics but not much. I wish my pics had better quality, but all I have at the moment to take them is my Mini iPad which evidentlly has a pretty shitty camera based on the quality of the pics. The pics don't do it justice and I'll try to get the bike under the sunn for some nicer pics of how it looks.
At this point I'm pretty much at a stand still because of a few things. Custom AXIS still has contacted me on my shock work yet and they've had my shocks for 2 weeks now. I'll have to get in touch with someone as I was told they were like 1-2 weeks out so maybe this week will be my turn!!!
Also the exhaust.....I contacted both Sparks and DASA. Sparks told me that a replacement Canister couldn't be mailed out to me without sending my complete exhaust system to them in case the had to make an entire rear section because of the age of the kit and how technology has come along since '03. So this info kinda threw a kink in my plans and I figured...new exhaust, why not haha. So I called DASA who I'm a HUGE fan of, but they said that even if I sent them my Sparks kit that they'd have to make a jig anyways which would bring the cost to $2000 LOL. Sooo....at this point I'm 99% sure I want a new exhaust system, but I don't know if I should go Sparks or find someone that can moch up and weld a DASA for a Laeger CRF without having the actual bike.
Any suggestions??
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/image_zps27a11621.jpg)
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Am I missing something or are your a arms binding in whatever position you place them in?
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Am I missing something or are your a arms binding in whatever position you place them in?
No no bind at all, they move freely. Actually just over tightened the a-arm bracket bolts to position the a-arms for the pics.
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Just thought this was a bit funny and a good plug-in for KY Jelly LOL....
So I got around to mounting my DWT bead locks this weekend and I couldn't get one of the beads to pop on the one wheel. I used EVERYTHING I thought would work...soapy water, straight dish soap, baby oil and about 45 PSI with 2 ratchet straps and NOTHING.
Well I had an epiphany this morning and thought hmmm, Astroglyde....why not haha... @ ratchet straps, some KY and about 35PSI later....POP!
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/image_zpsff281603.jpg)
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Ahahhaha,well atleast you tried plenty of "foreplay" first!!
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Nice looking build you got going man, and as for your exhaust get ahold of laeger400 (Jerry) and see what he cab do for you. And having ky on hand is kinda funny.
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Nice looking build you got going man, and as for your exhaust get ahold of laeger400 (Jerry) and see what he cab do for you. And having ky on hand is kinda funny.
Thanks a lot man...not quite a Walsh but I'm still happy with it haha. Funny you bring up Jerry, we just exchanged emails and he let me in on some info so we'll see what comes of it, but he does awesome work so he would definitely be the best option.
lol....KY Jelly...who new...
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Well just a small update. I finally got the call I've been waiting for from Custom Axis. Micah called and said my shocks were complete and ready to ship today!!! Being out in AZ though, I probably won't see them til the end of next week so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, I managed to get all my wheels and tires mounted and made some tricked out, one off T post shocks haha. I wanted to get this thing off the stand and out in the sunlight to get some appreciation out of it. I've poured quite a bit of money and time into it so I wanted to see some actual results.
Still have a ways to go though. Gotta get a chain, install the nerds, install shocks, get my control cables squared away and lastly an order has been put in with Dirt fiend Racing on a rear Red Laker plastic, custom DFR seat cover and full body graphics with number plates.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/image_zps9827c164.jpg)(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/20131009_135510_zps02efc56b.jpg)(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/20131009_135539_zpsf7964516.jpg)(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/image_zps46d855bb.jpg)
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Looking real good man, keep the pics coming bud. I want a laeger too ( a narrow frame cr500 and +4 t pin front for my next build)
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Thanks a lot man...not quite a Walsh but I'm still happy with it haha. Funny you bring up Jerry, we just exchanged emails and he let me in on some info so we'll see what comes of it, but he does awesome work!
Yea jerry is aight :D u should let him make ya some tubular front mounts and the custom air
shes gettin closer and lookin good man!
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Looking real good man, keep the pics coming bud. I want a laeger too ( a narrow frame cr500 and +4 t pin front for my next build)
Thanks!
I'd be curious to see where, when you found one and how much you found it for...it seems like these things are just getting more rare. I've always wanted a Walsh/YZ and I actually have a funny story about almost ending up with one.
A friend of mine who I met on YFZCentral, Grant Tilley had been talking to me about how he always wanted a Walsh/YZ hybrid, but was just about to pull the trigger on a trade with his Walsh YFZ for a Laeger CRF in Cali that a guy would consider. Well ironically at the time I was in the middle of talking to a guy that had a Walsh/YZ 4 spd for sale on Ebay that was out of CT which was considering a trade for my own Walsh YFZ but was located in BFE haha...but I was crazy enough to consider making the drive because I don't think I would have ever had that opportunity again. So my buddy and I had an epipahney and came up with a swap on trades for our Walsh YFZ's. So I reffered him to the guy in CT and he reffered me to the guy in Cali and everything worked itself out. He ended up trading his Walsh YFZ for the Walsh/YZ and I ended up trading my Walsh YFZ for this Laeger/CRF haha...
My Buddy's Walsh/YZ that he picked up which I was anticipating getting.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd132/gtilley45/Walsh%20YZ%20hybrid/Picture124.jpg)
His YFZ he traded for
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My old Walsh YFZ
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/005-3.jpg)
The Laeger/CRF when I got home after a long drive from Cali.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/001.jpg)
Yea jerry is aight :D u should let him make ya some tubular front mounts and the custom air
shes gettin closer and lookin good man!
Thanks alot for the compliment man!
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I know where one is rite now not sure on price, but if he does come off of it I am gonna do all I have to to get it for sure.
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I know where one is rite now not sure on price, but if he does come off of it I am gonna do all I have to to get it for sure.
do tell :D
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do tell :D
Sorry I wont tell because I want it to do a build with my nephew, after I go get the aarens for my nephew I found for a good price. Sorry guys I'm not being a jerk or nothing but I have talked to the guy and I need to get a new job and get caught up on my bills and then the aarens build for him and the laeger for me. And I will have my collection complete, although a roll would be nice but still to pricy to me.
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Sorry I wont tell because I want it to do a build with my nephew, after I go get the aarens for my nephew I found for a good price. Sorry guys I'm not being a jerk or nothing but I have talked to the guy and I need to get a new job and get caught up on my bills and then the aarens build for him and the laeger for me. And I will have my collection complete, although a roll would be nice but still to pricy to me.
Lol no no I was just givin ya a hard time....I wouldn't tell either ha! I do need a narrow frame to go with my wide frame but also need a Walsh R to go with the crf..damn does it ever end lol
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I know where one is rite now not sure on price, but if he does come off of it I am gonna do all I have to to get it for sure.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get what you want haha...
do tell :D
Yes please jaimeg45....do share!!!
Sorry I wont tell because I want it to do a build with my nephew, after I go get the aarens for my nephew I found for a good price. Sorry guys I'm not being a jerk or nothing but I have talked to the guy and I need to get a new job and get caught up on my bills and then the aarens build for him and the laeger for me. And I will have my collection complete, although a roll would be nice but still to pricy to me.
Any pics????
Lol no no I was just givin ya a hard time....I wouldn't tell either ha! I do need a narrow frame to go with my wide frame but also need a Walsh R to go with the crf..damn does it ever end lol
I think my next acquisition will be a Walsh/LTR/CRF efi...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Thanks!
I'd be curious to see where, when you found one and how much you found it for...it seems like these things are just getting more rare. I've always wanted a Walsh/YZ and I actually have a funny story about almost ending up with one.
A friend of mine who I met on YFZCentral, Grant Tilley had been talking to me about how he always wanted a Walsh/YZ hybrid, but was just about to pull the trigger on a trade with his Walsh YFZ for a Laeger CRF in Cali that a guy would consider. Well ironically at the time I was in the middle of talking to a guy that had a Walsh/YZ 4 spd for sale on Ebay that was out of CT which was considering a trade for my own Walsh YFZ but was located in BFE haha...but I was crazy enough to consider making the drive because I don't think I would have ever had that opportunity again. So my buddy and I had an epipahney and came up with a swap on trades for our Walsh YFZ's. So I reffered him to the guy in CT and he reffered me to the guy in Cali and everything worked itself out. He ended up trading his Walsh YFZ for the Walsh/YZ and I ended up trading my Walsh YFZ for this Laeger/CRF haha...
My Buddy's Walsh/YZ that he picked up which I was anticipating getting.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd132/gtilley45/Walsh%20YZ%20hybrid/Picture124.jpg)
His YFZ he traded for
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My old Walsh YFZ
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/005-3.jpg)
The Laeger/CRF when I got home after a long drive from Cali.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/001.jpg)
Thanks alot for the compliment man!
And all of those look sweet especially the full walsh and laeger.
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I do have pics of both but I'm on my phone and not my computer rite now. I just don't want to show and tell and then not get the money up to get them. My nephew is ganna help pay for the aarens and buy the part for it also. Its a frame with a lsr swingarm and stem with ac pro peg nerfs and rear linkage. And I have spindles, calipers, hubs, radiator, handle bars and some other parts for him also. The laeger Iis a full laeger cr500 with a +4 tpin, 310 motor, red fullbores and sparks pipe and silencer and pep shocks.
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Lol no no I was just givin ya a hard time....I wouldn't tell either ha! I do need a narrow frame to go with my wide frame but also need a Walsh R to go with the crf..damn does it ever end lol
So you want a walsh then bud.
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So you want a walsh then bud.
key word "want" lol come to think of it I know where a narrow laeger is too hope it's not the same one lol..I gotta finish all the shit I got goin now before I can find/buy another one :D
if I were to go with a EFI I'd go with a white chassis and let him do his thing
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And all of those look sweet especially the full walsh and laeger.
Thanks man!
So you want a walsh then bud.
I know I do!
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Well I just placed an order with RMATV for everything I need to fire up the quad this week. I'm gonna go ahead and slap the Sparks back on it for now, but will be temporary while I save up for a custom DASA.
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Thanks man!
I know I do!
So you ready to buy mine then, I will sell it it for the rite price.
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So you ready to buy mine then, I will sell it it for the rite price.
Awww man believe me I think you have a very nice Walsh...but 2 things that will keep me from considering your bike is I'm now where near having the funds to offer you for an awesome bike and second I'm more of a 4 stroke guy than a 2 stroke. I don't mean ANY disrespect to 2 strokes at all, but I'm pretty much clueless when it comes down to them and the motors and Even if it was a YZ or CRF, I'd be dreaming of taking it off your hands....
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No biggy man, I can't sell my baby anyways unless it was a sweet sweet offer. If you k ow what I mean.
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Well I got a nice surprise in the mail today! I got my shocks back from Custom AXIS and a box from RMATV for the remainder of the parts to get the motor fired up. Made a run down to my local bike shop here in town, Supernova cycles and bought fluids, chain and a plug.....I happened to run into some new 2014 Troy Lee Designs gear that I figured would come in handy at some point also LOL...
I made an attempt to finish the Sparks in the home brew VHT high temp ceramic rattle can. It looks good, but I'm not sure how it will hold up so we'll see. If anything, I'll just wire bush it off to bae finish again.
I'll have more pics tomorrow of everything installed and hopefully the motor will crank on the first kick.
Triple adjust piggyback front conversion and rear PRS conversion.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/image_zps80a29804.jpg)
Looks OK but the true test will see if it holds up.
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Awesome shocks look great man
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Sweet can't wait to see the finished bike man.
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Sweet can't wait to see the finished bike man.
Awesome shocks look great man
Thanks fellas...cant wait to get this thing done and take it to a track....
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IT'S ALIVE!!!!!
Well the motor cranked over on the 4th kick which was very satisfying haha. Never had to check the timing, spark or fuel. The exhaust sounds much better also now with the brand new packing. It's just a matter of breaking the motor in now.
I'd say it's about 90% done. Still need all the cosmetics, front brake line clamps and brakes bled.
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Lookin good!!
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Looks grear man, what plastics are you putting on it and what color also.
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Lookin good!!
Thanks for the compliment man!
Looks grear man, what plastics are you putting on it and what color also.
Thanks!
Im gonna go go with a new Laker rear in red and the Fullbore front in white with a CF Quadtech hood. I've never done a two tone look so I'm hoping it looks good, but Sam at Dirt Fiend Racing is an amazing graphics designer so I'm sure he'll make it all come together.
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Beautiful looking hybrid man. Making me want to pick one up someday.
I saw previously that you were thinking about having Baldwin do your motor work. From what i've been hearing from people in Baldwin does lackluster work for the ordinary average racer. Again just speculation and hearsay but i've heard rumblings about them from more than one person
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Beautiful looking hybrid man. Making me want to pick one up someday.
I saw previously that you were thinking about having Baldwin do your motor work. From what i've been hearing from people in Baldwin does lackluster work for the ordinary average racer. Again just speculation and hearsay but i've heard rumblings about them from more than one person
Thanks for the heads ups man. Only real reason I considered Baldwin to begin with is I figured he has plenty of experience with these CRF heads. Honestly I'd probably consider Sparks before them. When the time comes though, it'll probably end up being DASA or Racers Edge that I go with...but that'll be next summer probably.
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Walsh builds a nasty motor from what I have been reading and they know the CRF heads better then anyone as they run them in their new hybrids. Even got there own custom cast CRF heads.
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Walsh builds a nasty motor from what I have been reading and they know the CRF heads better then anyone as they run them in their new hybrids. Even got there own custom cast CRF heads.
Thanks for for the advice man.
I know Walsh started their engine program a couple years ago and with their dedication to R&D I'm sure they've made big strides in what they can get out of these motors....I'll definitely have to consider them when it comes down to it...plus IMO they have the absolute best customer service in the industry....I'm a huge fan!!!!
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Well I've just about buttoned up this build. I headed up to PHX to drop the wheeler of at Dirt Fiend Racing so Sam can give it the final touches. I installed a Custom DFR seat cover and the rear red Laker plastics. Graphics and number plates should go on this week. Hopefully it should be ready to hit ACP for this weekend's race, I'm ready to just get on this thing and ride it!
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/20131108_111332_zps2c7c9077.jpg)
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Sick!!!.. Cant wait to see the graphics!!
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Sick!!!.. Cant wait to see the graphics!!
Thanks man, appreciate the compliment....I can't wait til this thing is done also...Just wanna take it to the track already...
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Well, are they ever really "done"?..haha
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Well, are they ever really "done"?..haha
That's a good point haha...no they're not. I'm already contemplating my motor build for next summer lol.
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The plastics look good man, the red rears and whiate fullbore cfronts looks sweet, can't wait to see the graphics on it now. Great job and nice bike bud.
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The plastics look good man, the red rears and whiate fullbore cfronts looks sweet, can't wait to see the graphics on it now. Great job and nice bike bud.
Thanks a lot man!
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If you don't mind saying. What did Axis charge to convert you to piggy backs or did you send somewhere else. I'd like to have the same conversion done to mine.
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I have a red fourwerx hood that I would sell ya, would be like puttin a pimps hat on!
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If you don't mind saying. What did Axis charge to convert you to piggy backs or did you send somewhere else. I'd like to have the same conversion done to mine.
No problem at all.
They charged me $795 for the dual adjust upgrade or you can go with single compression for $695. Plus you also have to pay $95 per shock for the service and revalve. They also installed new bumpers though which was $15 per shock. Yeah its a bit steep, but it's so much nicer just slapping the shocks on without messing with a couple of clamps and hose clamps plus they just look cleaner. I called Hygear who I thought could do the work, but ultimately Custom Axis are the only ones that will do the work for the best price...Micah is great to deal with over there...3 week turn around.
I have a red fourwerx hood that I would sell ya, would be like puttin a pimps hat on!
I would absolutely love a red Fourwerx hood...
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I better start saving!
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Yah shock work isn't cheep at all, the shocks I picked up for the walsh are like new or the fronts are and the rear is slightly used and they are set up for 185lb rider and I want them set up for me at 250lbs and have the rear go from a single rate to a dual rate and its gonna cost me like $1,000.00 to do it all to them but I only paid $1, 050.00 shipped to my door for all 3 of them so not bad at all.
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Well I've managed to button up this build and wreck the bike all together since the last time I gave an update haha..Wrecked pretty good during the first lap of this weekend's race at ACP.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/buttmusk/Laeger%20CRF/20131211_143627_zps01232d50.jpg)
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And here's the damage the wheeler sustained after running Fullbore into a row of hay bails. Bent T-Pin stem, bent Precision clamps, damaged stem to frame clamp..
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Man that looks sick, I have to say, those graphics really made it flow between the red and white!! And did you really have to wreck it first time out!..LOL
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Man that looks sick, I have to say, those graphics really made it flow between the red and white!! And did you really have to wreck it first time out!..LOL
Thanks!
Trust me man I wasn't happy. I think the main reason I was able to get right up from the wreck is I was worried about what damage I'd find lol...
Luckily I have a spare stem and I may be able to salvage this one once I have Jerry from White Chassis have a look at it, but we'll see.
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That's the man to send it too if anyone! Jerry is great
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The graphics came out great man, it all flows with the red and white plastics well. The whole package turned out great, but that sucks man you wrecked it the first race out. Are you ok and at least it's only the stem and clamps, a day Jerry is a good and great guy to have for us folks on making and fixing things for us all.
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The graphics came out great man, it all flows with the red and white plastics well. The whole package turned out great, but that sucks man you wrecked it the first race out. Are you ok and at least it's only the stem and clamps, a day Jerry is a good and great guy to have for us folks on making and fixing things for us all.
Thanks man, I appreciate the compliments !
Yeah I hadn't ridin period in almost a year and a half and the first chance I get, I race haha. Maybe not the best idea but oh well I love this sport too much not to support it.
yeah luckily I had an extra T-Pin stem I also had PC'ed. I also got on the phone with Precision Steering Products and found out that the clamp studs are replaceable for $14 a piece. I'll have to post pictures of the carnage haha. All in all she's all buttoned again now and looking for more seat time this weekend!
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I need those massive Laeger's stickers and that hood!