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Workshop => Engine and Bottom End => Topic started by: pantera1975 on September 03, 2013, 08:55:21 PM
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I used Klotz R 50 on my motors when old switched to Maxima 927 when I had both motors redone and my wife complained it stunk to bad so I went Koltz super technicna plate with castor. I really cant stand the smell either. Would I change my engine life using just R50 over the stuff with Castor?
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I run R50 or Benol in everything I own. I have good results with all of their products and it is the only thing I will ever run. Everyone has their own personal preferences.
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Probably not, castor is a little better, but only at the point of normal mineral oil breaking down.
Before then I dont think there is any advantage and the bearings probably dont care either way, more of a slightly better piston scuffing protection with castor IMO.
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I started with klotz and switched to amsoil, only because when I pulled one of my banshee motors apart I didn't like what I saw, and then the same with one of my R motors too. It was like there was honey in the cases and the dome and piston was built up with too much carbon. I have pulled my R motors apart after amsoil and they look great, I was sold at that point. Been running it since then and I wont change either, But I miss the smell of my benol.
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who cares what youl ol lady says. put some castor in that sum *****
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never seen a fast bike using amsoil. just sayin
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I run klotz super tech,its a good oil ,I've noticed carbon build up on piston dome and head
But it wasn't caked on or in crumbles ,cylinder sleeve looked good and crank bearing were well lubed
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That's weird Jamie....were you running the same ratio with both oils? Sounds like it was lean. We have worked on alot of stuff over the last 10-15 yrs. and have never had any issues with any Klotz oil. Was always very impressed when I seen how well everything in the motors looked.
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who cares what youl ol lady says. put some castor in that sum *****
never seen a fast bike using amsoil. just sayin
These ^^^^^ are both fricken hilarious!
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So now he's sayin my bike is slow be wise I run amsoil, and the klotz I ran 32-1 and now I run 40-1 and I really like it much better.
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I think it's important to remember to be jetted for the oil AND mix ratio you're running. I used to run Klotz stuff for years, but always jetted rich(just a little). IMO the Benol was the worst for carbon buildup, but 927 will do it too but not as bad. R-50 isn't bad oil either, had no problems with it(doesn't it have like 10% Benol in it?). I'm running 927 now(and have been for quite awhile) with no problems. I've never tried any Amsoil so no comment LMAO. I can't believe that it's any better or worse than anything else. See first sentence!!!!!
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We have worked on alot of stuff over the last 10-15 yrs. and have never had any issues with any Klotz oil. Was always very impressed when I seen how well everything in the motors looked.
^^ Agreed ^^ Love the Benol!! :encouragement:
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Supertechniplate here. Run 32:1 and bike is jetted correctly. I see NO carbon build up or any residue I am worried about.
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supposedly the benol with mix in alcohol up to 5:1. anybody tried something like that ? i always like a good experiment. maybe ill give it a go :redbull:
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16-1 is the highest ratio typical motors will still perform good with. 20-1 is best IMO.
The more oil you add the lower the octane of the fuel mixture.
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is there a formula to figure what the end octane will be ?
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not that I know of but have read about 2 full points :(
http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_feed2.htm
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So now he's sayin my bike is slow be wise I run amsoil, and the klotz I ran 32-1 and now I run 40-1 and I really like it much better.
lol. He was just giving an observation. I'm sure your bike is fast jamie. Besides, where he hasn't, I have. And not just in sport quads. Amsoil is tied into most major racing sports across the world: Cross country, supercross, motocross, pike's peak, Baja, rock racing, extreme rock crawling, monster truck racing, hydro boat racing, off road truck racing, circle track racing, sprint car, IHRA drag racing, tractor pulling, snocross, engine masters challenge, american diesel challenge, top truck challenge.....well, you get my point. Their oils have always been challenged and tested through the riggers of racing. And while I do believe there are several other oils out there that are also good, I believe Amsoil to be the best IMHO.
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If I remember correctly...just because you're running at 20:1 or 32:1 or whatever ratio....that doesn't necessarily mean you're running "rich". Yes it's a "rich" oil/fuel ratio, but you can be still be running lean as far as jetting is concerned. Did I read something wrong previously?
I can't believe you don't like the smell of 2-stroke mix! I smell that shit straight out of the exhaust! :ride:
Also, I run Maxima Castor 927 @ 32:1...soon to be 40:1
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yeah tbone higher mix of oil like 20-1 does lean the motor down so it may be necessary to increase a jet size compared to running a 40-1 mix
I prefer running Klotz Benol for the simple reason of the red color, one time I forgot to add 927 to my alcohol, believe it not it did not burn down, but had lots of piston wear before I noticed something wasn't right. Luckly I had some fuel in the tank and only topped it off with the straight alcohol, other wise the crank would have been toast also.
After that I switched to Klotz just so I know its mixed by seeing a pinkish colored fuel going in my tank
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I run Maxima Castor 927 at 28:1. God do i hate the smell of it. I like my Bell Ray MC1 a lot better.
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amsoil like to shove their products in your face. hell cant even watch a effin youtube video without gettin interupted with their down your throat advertisement horseshit