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Title: Billet trx500r project
Post by: SRE on September 15, 2013, 05:48:16 PM: First time firing the motor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLpr3a_MeRQ
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Post by: Bigred on September 15, 2013, 06:53:42 PM: Sweet looks smooth
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Post by: 89Longrod on September 15, 2013, 07:14:24 PM: Damn man got enough spare motors lined up back there :). The motor sounds great and looks even better all billet and shiny,how are the vibrations?
Title: Billet trx500r project
Post by: brewer_brewer on September 15, 2013, 07:24:41 PM: i'm interested, one off or planning to make more?
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Post by: christph on September 15, 2013, 08:05:19 PM: Kicking over a 500 without boots? The ouch potential would be too high for me.
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Post by: Uscared on September 15, 2013, 08:54:10 PM: :sign0027:
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Post by: rsss396 on September 15, 2013, 10:43:58 PM: :cheerful: very cool!
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Post by: atv fan 28 on September 15, 2013, 11:15:01 PM: Nice!!!
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Post by: SRE on September 18, 2013, 08:16:55 PM: I got this thing out for a ride today. Runs smooth from idle to 3/4 throttle, then it starts to vibrate up top. Not the same vibration as a bike motor solid mounted in a frame, but it still has a vibration. I now need to jet the carb and play with the gearing.
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Post by: Morse250r on September 18, 2013, 09:58:28 PM: Sweet looks good
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Post by: rsss396 on September 18, 2013, 11:21:35 PM: hell I was just in your back yard on Sunday, we were drag racing at Phils Sand drags
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Post by: SRE on September 19, 2013, 07:05:05 AM: I don't live far from phils place.
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Post by: troybilt on September 19, 2013, 07:15:15 AM: What counter-balancer is used on these?

Those cases are killer! I tried to build a similar project but went the Saber top end route for an MX platform... :D
Title: Billet trx500r project
Post by: SRE on September 19, 2013, 07:31:53 AM: billet counter balancer with 250r end pressed on it.
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Post by: Uscared on September 19, 2013, 12:40:00 PM: :fighting0061:It's about time now how about a ride video already, stop being lazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Langbolt on September 19, 2013, 12:51:54 PM: Quote from: SRE;12623
billet counter balancer with 250r end pressed on it.

What is the weight of it ? I think MART from down under (australia) found that 800grams worked good....Keep up the great work!!
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Post by: SRE on September 19, 2013, 01:47:19 PM: I have not even attemped to play with the weight or re-clocking the balancer yet. I am going to play with the jetting, break it in and then it's going to the motorcross track to get abused.
Title: Billet trx500r project
Post by: SRE on September 19, 2013, 01:48:56 PM: "Lazy yeah right!!!!" More like short attention span.

Quote from: Uscared;12650
:fighting0061:It's about time now how about a ride video already, stop being lazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: jcs003 on September 19, 2013, 02:02:58 PM: this a awesome. you should have no trouble selling a few sets.

john
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Post by: udontknowme on September 20, 2013, 12:19:29 AM: sweet. what machine did you use to make the cases ?
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Post by: Uscared on September 20, 2013, 11:14:15 AM: CAD Drawing:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]1908[/ATTACH]
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Post by: Uscared on September 20, 2013, 11:15:09 AM: Machine:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]1909[/ATTACH]
Any thing bigger and SRE would hurt himself......
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Post by: Uscared on September 20, 2013, 11:17:07 AM: Fitment tools..........[ATTACH=CONFIG]1910[/ATTACH]
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Post by: udontknowme on September 20, 2013, 07:33:13 PM: Quote from: SRE;12262
First time firing the motor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLpr3a_MeRQ

will 3axis machine do the job ? thinking about getting a used 3axis cnc maybe with 4axis capabilities older model. tired of paying people for stuff that i could make myself.
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Post by: Uscared on September 27, 2013, 03:19:01 PM: What are you doing over there, where is the ride report video???????????????
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Post by: SRE on September 27, 2013, 10:30:40 PM: Quote from: Uscared;13210
What are you doing over there, where is the ride report video???????????????

I rode it today. Zero vibration until wound tight. Different powerband than a 250r also acts different than my other
Bike with the bike cr500. You run out of gears and road pretty quick.
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Post by: SRE on September 27, 2013, 10:35:35 PM: [video=youtube_share;k2dXg7hhMYg]http://youtu.be/k2dXg7hhMYg[/video]
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Post by: SRE on September 27, 2013, 10:40:05 PM: [video=youtube_share;TOwUlaNq5Bk]http://youtu.be/TOwUlaNq5Bk[/video]
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Post by: rsss396 on September 28, 2013, 09:36:04 AM: looking good, probably have to play with the balance factor of the crank or counter balancer to find what feels best in your chassis dynamics along with crank balance factor/piston weight setup

What year crank is in that motor, I know some year cranks do not have the counterweight exactly 180 degrees from the rod pin. I have a factory 86 crank that when it sits in it the cases it rolls the crank pin to about the 1:00 position where my other cranks both cr500 and 250r, the cranks will sit at the 12:00 position
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Post by: etccb on September 28, 2013, 11:22:13 AM: Quote from: american opel;13237
those arn't long enough!!!we need more!

I agree, I want to see more.
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Post by: Uscared on September 28, 2013, 11:23:57 AM: Yeah really we want to see more...........
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Post by: SRE on September 28, 2013, 04:36:02 PM: Quote from: rsss396;13246
looking good, probably have to play with the balance factor of the crank or counter balancer to find what feels best in your chassis dynamics along with crank balance factor/piston weight setup

What year crank is in that motor, I know some year cranks do not have the counterweight exactly 180 degrees from the rod pin. I have a factory 86 crank that when it sits in it the cases it rolls the crank pin to about the 1:00 position where my other cranks both cr500 and 250r, the cranks will sit at the 12:00 position

The crank and cylinder were just some parts I had on the shelf. It's a 85 rotating assy. I bored it to 90mm. Cylinder is bone stock unported with a 39 pwk carb and the pipe is on CT made me for my first Cr500 conversion back in the late 80's. I think right now I have two much weight in the balancer. For now I will run it like it is and see what scatters first. I have about an hour on the bike now. So far no bolts have come loose. That's a first and when you ride it, it doesn't feel like you were holding onto a live 220 line.
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Post by: SRE on September 28, 2013, 04:38:47 PM: Quote from: Uscared;13253
Yeah really we want to see more...........

You could ride it you you were not scared of a twist throttle.
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Post by: rsss396 on September 28, 2013, 10:45:55 PM: Would be interesting how a crank with the counterweight 180degrees from the connecting rod I would bet that 85 crank is like my 86 which is not exactly 180
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Post by: Uscared on October 24, 2013, 04:25:42 PM: What happened here??????? Boy this thread died fast!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: rsss396 on October 24, 2013, 05:07:51 PM: need update's to keep it alive
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Post by: trx88 on October 24, 2013, 05:13:56 PM: the way you were kicking it does not at all look like you were kicking a cr500 engine

they kick reverse, and break your foot if you stomp them like that,

im talking about the first video
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Post by: Morse250r on October 24, 2013, 07:29:08 PM: It was at a local race it runs good but had a clutch actuator prob and it was creeping. Very slick set up though !
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Post by: SRE on October 24, 2013, 08:23:33 PM: Quote from: trx88;15648
the way you were kicking it does not at all look like you were kicking a cr500 engine

they kick reverse, and break your foot if you stomp them like that,

im talking about the first video

Without the decomp valve I can't kick it over. It starts pretty easy if a big guy kicks it.
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Post by: SRE on October 24, 2013, 08:25:45 PM: Quote from: Uscared;15643
What happened here??????? Boy this thread died fast!!!!!!!!!!!

It's snowmobile season.
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Post by: trx88 on October 25, 2013, 06:40:25 AM: Decomp valves are a life saver i hear, im a big guy and i wont kick my 86 without at least thick soled work boots and even then i have to roll it over to tdc then kick it like im trying to break it. And by roll it over i mean stand on it till the compression seeps the piston over
i cannot imagine the beast of a man that could start it on the side of a muddy hill after a hangup in a race

i forgot you done a bunch of work inside the cases with the balancer and what not and there may be more going on there than meets the eye
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Post by: trx88 on October 25, 2013, 06:48:27 AM: as a matter of fact i have a permanent sore spot in the center of my right foot from kicking that bike.
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Post by: Uscared on October 25, 2013, 07:12:09 AM: Quote from: Morse250r;15655
It was at a local race it runs good but had a clutch actuator prob and it was creeping. Very slick set up though !

Fixed the acuator arm doesn't creep forward anymore and seems to be holding up nice now.
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Post by: atvmxr on October 25, 2013, 01:58:01 PM: Quote from: SRE;13271
when you ride it, it doesn't feel like you were holding onto a live 220 line.

:tongue-new:

haha great analogy!!
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Post by: Uscared on October 29, 2013, 07:49:53 AM: Quote from: SRE;15661
It's snowmobile season.

I don't see any snow on the ground yet!!!!!!!
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Post by: rsss396 on October 29, 2013, 08:52:49 AM: what kind of sled do you ride SRE?

I am a cat man
(http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab265/rsss396/100_1195.jpg)
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Post by: SRE on October 29, 2013, 10:26:48 AM: I have a couple Polaris sleds
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Post by: rsss396 on October 29, 2013, 06:59:06 PM: Quote from: SRE;16035
I have a couple Polaris sleds

oh ok, I'm sorry :shame:
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Post by: SRE on October 29, 2013, 08:34:03 PM: Don't worry I have a couple of cat's in the barn. They catch a mouse now and then.:sorrow:
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Post by: SRE on May 30, 2014, 02:13:11 PM: Looks like someone else is also making CR500 cases

http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/mcy/4487882740.html

BILLET CR500 AND CR500 LIGER CASES AVAILABLE - $1700 (md/WV)

BILLET CASES ARE NOW AVAILABLE FOR STOCK CR500 CYLINDERS AND THE CP INDUSTRIES 550-685CC CYLINDERS. WE ARE ALSO MAKING BILLET CRANKS, TRANNIES AND SECONDARY CLUTCH COVER WITH IMPROVED WATERPUMP.
WE ADDED MATERIAL IN VOIDS THAT STOCK CASES HAVE AND ADDED MATERIAL AROUND THE ENTIRE CLUTCH AREA. CASES HAVE BEEN STRENGTHENED EVERYWHERE AND WILL BOLT RIGHT IN A STOCK CR500 FRAME. CASES WEIGH 7.9 LBS MORE THAN STOCK CR500 CASES. ALL CASE SETS COME WITH COMPLETE MAGURA CLUTCH SETUP. CLUTCH AND TRANNNY FLUID ARE KEPT SEPERATE IN THESE CASES TOO. YOU ALSO HAVE THE CHOICE OF HOW HIGH YOU WANT YOUR DECK HEIGTH FOR SHORT ROD OR STROKER MOTORS. WE HAVE ACHIEVED 107HP ON RACE GAS OUT OF A 2001/84 596CC (98MM PISTON) AIR-COOLED SHORT ROD (139MM) MOTOR WITH 120 HOURS OF MACHINING/WELDING AND PORTING. WE ALSO SELL SINGLE OR DUAL PLUG HEADS AND COMPLETE PROGRAMMABLE CR250 IGNITIONS FOR THE 500 ENGINES. I WILL SELL PARTS KITS OR BUILD A ENGINE FOR YOU. I DO CLEANUP PORTING ON ALL THE LIGER CYLINDERS BUT FOR OPTIMUM HP THEY NEED VERY EXTENSIVE PORTING BUT THAT IS MORE SUITED FOR DRAG RACERS AND HILLCLIMBERS.

ALL ENGINES ARE BUILT/PORTED USING THE BEST ENGINE SIMULATION SOFTWARE AVAILABE!

CASES CAN ALSO BE POWDER COATED OR ANODIZED

BILLET CASES $1700
COMPLETE LIGER TOP END KIT $2375 (starting price) Piston, Gaskets, reeds ect included)
BILLET TRANS $500 (drag trannies also available)
BILLET CRANKS $750 (up to 87mm stroke)
BILLET HEADS $280
BILLET MAG COVER $90
BILLET CLUTCH COVER $105
BILLET WATERPUMP COVER $100
BILLET SECONDARY COVER WITH WATERPUMP HOUSING $275
BILLET HEAD STAY $55
BILLET INTAKE $150
BILLET EXHAUST FLANGE $75
CUSTOM PORT MATCHED PIPES ALSO AVAILABLE

I also attached pics of a few of the bikes ive built and some 70-75hp portwork i do on stock cylinders. The pics of the other cylinder is the liger cylinder (unported) which comes in sizes of 550cc-685cc. In my opinion they run best around 585-625cc.

I ALSO OFFER CUSTOM CHASSIS FABRICATION UPON REQUEST.

MILLS PERFORMANCE & MACHINE
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Post by: rsss396 on May 30, 2014, 02:33:54 PM: This guy is a flake do not buy from him, one of the pictures of a ported cr500 cylinder, is a picture he stole from a for sale ad of mine. I questioned him about the billet cases and he has more lies than the "coc" could not show any pictures of a finished set but has sold and shipped 5 sets already. The air cooled cylinder cut with flat sides was my buddies that sold it to him but he takes all the credit for it. his aircooled 500's make 108hp haha
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Post by: SRE on May 30, 2014, 02:44:54 PM: Is this is the same guy that does the aluminum frame 500 conversions?
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Post by: rsss396 on May 30, 2014, 03:00:11 PM: no but he use to go by the same intials for his business name (MPS) but I see he now goes by Mills Performance & Machine
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Post by: Pumashine on May 30, 2014, 03:03:47 PM: Quote from: rsss396;35351
This guy is a flake do not buy from him
First off its a CL add. Second all the other pics are random pics of something else. I would trust Daves advice on this one
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Post by: havinnoj on May 30, 2014, 03:10:54 PM: Yup - and a stolen pic of an LED intake.
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Post by: atv fan 28 on May 30, 2014, 03:12:47 PM: that Mills guy is a well known scammer on Facebook
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Post by: Pumashine on May 30, 2014, 03:25:09 PM: Quote from: atv fan 28;35360
that Mills guy is a well known scammer on Facebook
If you look at the add check the flagged button. They will take him out
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Post by: udontknowme on June 01, 2014, 12:41:20 AM: i think all the pics are stolen. or borrowed haha :carlos:
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Post by: udontknowme on June 01, 2014, 12:50:23 AM: one looks like a hackjob from glen gss :lol:
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Post by: cmills87 on December 05, 2014, 03:59:36 PM: I DID TRY TO MAKE BILLET CR250 AND CR500 CASES HAHA!!!:respekt: This member is a JOKE. Do not WASTE your time with him. PUNK kid with lots of DADS money.

I just made my first fb a month ago. The person that made the cl ad was my supposed best friend trying to ruin me. He was also the one that Made the facebook account and was verbally abusive, stealing pics. I do My own porting and builds. Air cooled 01 cr500 short (139MM) rod. I machined the deck on the 01 cases down 5MM. I leave the fins around the transfers 4mm so I can completely weld them up and add the 2 intake boost ports plus a top boost feed port. Also machined the complete reed tract off and welded a custom reed tract that takes liger/AC reedcage. Also installed a 98mm wossner piston so its 596cc. I tried the vf3 reedcage first and made 107.8hp I started looking online and seen boyesen makes a reedcage for that pattern as well. I ordered a set and added my billet straight in (no angle) and installed them when they came in and went to the dyno, It made 109.1hp I WAS AMAZED!!!. I tried a different map in my programmable MSD ignition and ended up at 111.4HP
@9,998 RPM

CR250S FROM 265-538CC CR500S FROM 550-844CC STROKER CRANKS TO 94MM

(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/1171_3886_2017-04-18_1506.jpg)(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/1171_3887_2017-04-18_8573.jpg)(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/1171_3888_2017-04-18_7549.jpg)(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/1171_3889_2017-04-18_8284.jpg)(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/1171_3890_2017-04-18_7564.jpg)(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/1171_3891_2017-04-18_9481.jpg)
ANYWAY I MAKE BILLET CRANKS, HEADS, TRANSMISSIONS, STARTER PLATES, ENGINE COVERS, INTAKE MANIFOLDS, LOCKUP COVERS
I ALSO OFFER CASES WITH HIGHER PRIMARY DRIVE RATIOS FOR DRAG RACERS AND SUPERMOTO GUYS. CASES ARE OFFERED IN VARYING DECK HEIGHTS!

COMING SOON BILLET TWIN CR500 CASES

I ONLY RUN TWIN PLUG HEADS ON MY MOTORS AND CARRY THE SETUPS IN STOCK FOR WATER/AIR/LIGER TOP ENDS
CASES ARE ALSO O RINGED AS WELL AS THE CYL/HEAD
Chris, the amazing LIER
I-don't-care cause I am a JERK
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Post by: JesseA420 on December 05, 2014, 04:23:37 PM: (http://cur.glitter-graphics.net/pub/2384/2384474ijie8e5jxi.jpg)
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Post by: JesseA420 on December 05, 2014, 04:37:01 PM: Quote from: cmills87;47124
I ONLY RUN TWIN PLUG HEADS ON MY MOTORS
CASES ARE ALSO O RINGED AS WELL AS THE CYL/HEAD

(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh548/JesseA421/derpderpderp.jpg)
:carlos::carlos::carlos:
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Post by: bkstoffe on December 05, 2014, 05:08:10 PM: smh didnt realize how hijacked this was when I posted
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Post by: Uscared on December 05, 2014, 08:12:48 PM: Quote from: cmills87;47124
I DID MAKE BILLET CR250 AND CR500 CASES HAHA!!!:respekt:

Great so start your own thread and show up to a couple races to show how badd you are.
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Post by: Langbolt on March 04, 2016, 04:02:13 PM: Now I wonder how long it will be before these guys add a COUNTERBALANCER ???

Pretty impressive....Hydraulic clutch.....Electric Start coming soon!

http://www.pantheramotorsports.com/

:)
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Post by: jcs003 on March 04, 2016, 04:55:13 PM: Quote from: Langbolt;65159
Now I wonder how long it will be before these guys add a COUNTERBALANCER ???

Pretty impressive....Hydraulic clutch.....Electric Start coming soon!

http://www.pantheramotorsports.com/

:)

that needs a CB for sure.

john
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Post by: Skeans1 on March 04, 2016, 07:39:23 PM: At what cost though? For the money you can have a pretty bad running zilla motor with a liger or Hall cylinder.
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Post by: udontknowme on March 05, 2016, 02:37:51 AM: it would be a shame to put in that much effort only to mostly copy a engine from 30yrs ago that wasn't a true high performance design to begin with