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Other ATV\'s => Other ATV's => Topic started by: 05450r on December 16, 2013, 11:23:39 AM
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Project TT 450r going under the knife. Starting with a bone stock 04 450r, transforming into a semi low budget build, but they all start out that way!! Motor just had a new Honda updated crank, oem bearings and seals. I already have a 14.1 Baldwin JE piston, Baldwin exhaust, crf cam and possibly doing a crf450 ignition swap. Not sure on whos doing the port work yet, either Led or our local guy. Arms and swingarm yet to be determined, I would like to find some Roberts stuff but we will see how it plays out. Deuce has really got me thinking about HRE as well. Naturally a Rath swaybar. Shocks will go to Andy at Maul Tech Atv, probly have oem's built for this project, along with his rear link. Probly go white on white with this one since I never finished the Houser, and yes, my powder coater loves me..lol Heres the one pic I have, already started tearing it down, and more pics on that later. It will be off to powder in the next couple days, depending on work. Enjoy or complain about a 4-stroke!
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What benefits to you get from the CRF ignition?
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Pretty much the same thing as doing a cr250 ign in a trx. Lighter flywheel and better timing curve. Plus I have a full crf ignition with a Sparks/Vortex 10 way cdi.
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Had a free hour so this is what happened. Was hoping to have the frame to powder tomorrow but Im wiped out from work so this is as far as it got. Will be blasted, checked for cracks, welded if needed and a few unnecessary things removed to shave some weight. Going to lower the subframe 3/4" while Im at it. After xmas or when the Houser sells I will get more serious about what I will be using for suspension. Swar bar will be this weekend and possibly a stem. AC nerfs with IMS pegs are on their way. Heres how she looks now.
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Wow Eric you really don't know kw what you want, I really think know you should of kept the laeger 250r over all.
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I believe I have quad A.D.D...lol.. I will build my oem 86 this spring maybe summer, will keep that a simple rider quad.
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Being a 4 poker, I really shouldnt get involved, but if you want some good solid 450R advice contact Chuckie, my son-inlaw.
He finished 4th for 2013 season in the EDT Pro class.
Uses Venom Performance (John) for his engine stuff & John knows how to do a (LEGAL) 450R TT engine. Chuckie makes his own sway bars as well, CCR Racing.
Neil
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Thanks Neil!!!.. I do have some guidance from a few good sources already, but never hurts to have more, Im all ears and always willing to learn!
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Heading to my welder!!
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this is a cool TT swinger:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-trx450r-Lonestar-1-swingarm-flattrack-tt-/261358021712?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cda26ec50&vxp=mtr
john
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I believe I have quad A.D.D...lol.. I will build my oem 86 this spring maybe summer, will keep that a simple rider quad.
You def have ADD. Looking forward to seeing this come together. I got the same problem. Maybe we should be working the assembly line at some quad factory...it would save a lot of money.
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Thanks Jcs, I seen that, need one a little shorter though. Bnau, thats not a bad idea..lol
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for the crf ignition swap were are you getting the adapter plate from are you making this yourself or having one made ?
and you will also need to machine down the stator cove some, but that shouldn't be much of an issue also if I remember correctly you will need to have the flywheel machined also...
I know Dasa does this but im sure there are a few more, maybe BCS
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The ignition adapter is coming from Dasa, going with the non-adjustable one. Cover will be done by my machinist. Seems as though this ign swap died off some time ago, but since I have a complete setup with Vortex 10 way box, I might as well use it, same with the crf cam.
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for TT it will work well ...defiantly not something for the trails as it will stall easier, but from what I've been told you will like the acceleration the lighter flywheel gives,
but as far as the crf cam its more a decent MX cam... it might not give you what you want for TT
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Yep, kinda like the cr250/250r swap..lol... Yeah even stock 450r flywheels needs helps in the woods, but a Rekluse clutch fixes that problem
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You might not like a Rekluse running TT.
It has been some used, but was a few complaints with different things mentioned.
Neil
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Yeah, definately not using one for tt, was just making a reference for those guys that ride in between trees..lol
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Got some parts on trade today, need to sell them and get TT stuff. Houser 450r swinger and link,450r Elka comp and rebound rear shock, Elka comp, rebound hi/lo fronts. Houser stem Im keeping but the Hipers will most likely go as well
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Pm sent
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Roll pegs and Ac nerfs showes up today
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Plans have changed, this will be a mild Xc build with the parts I just picked up. My oem 86' will get the TT treatment as I will be scoring some parts for it, old school tt build. Anyways, the Xc setup will include the lt stage 4 Elkas, Houser swinger with Houser xc link and the Hipers. On the look out for some +1 lt xc arms. Atv Four Play soft bars already on the way, and working on a few other small parts. Top end a cylinder tore down already, bottom end has less than an hour on new oem crank and bearings. Baldwin 14.1 piston and exhaust. More details on head and cam to follow. New timing chain and gaskets just came in at the dealership also!
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Now you're talking!
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Quick pics of a bare bones harness in the making. First pick is about 95% of what I will remove. 2nd pic is where I quit for the night, there are several wires I will remove out of the cdi connectors and seal up. If you look close someone used a Scotch lock to tap in a kill switch. DONT EVER USE SCOTCH LOCKS FOR ANYTHING!!!!! Worst wiring invention ever, poor connection, corrosion, etc. These have caused me headaches for years in the automotive field due to lazy people trying their hand at wiring various things.
Back to the harness, this was a spare harness from a buddy that had a melted reg/rec connector, which will be eliminated along with all lights and the fan. I also found a bunch of wires cut/taped in a bundle back towards the reg/rec, not indivually taped either. Its amazing this harness came from a running quad.
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Now you're talking!
Lol, Ive never had an Xc quad, or even a stock one, only mx and tt. And with all these parts laying around not selling, I might as well use them..lol
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So what are you doi.g with your Houser frame and so on. You still got that too.
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Houser has sold, still have some parts from it, as well as my oem 86' frame. I will start on the 86' early this summer. I have already started collecting parts for it..lol
Bought a set of Laeger arms and unknown brand skid plates yesterday, ordered new white 08' oem plastic today and some more oem parts that I needed.
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Plans have changed, My oem 86' will get the TT treatment as I will be scoring some parts for it, old school tt build.
I remember seeing a sweet build like that recently. It had gold wheels on it, hmm, who's was that...
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I remember seeing a sweet build like that recently. It had gold wheels on it, hmm, who's was that...
Um, well, yeah..LOL..
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New oem's and a few other things came in today.
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Havent had a chance to mess with it again, been switching between 1st and 2nd shift and sometimes both in the same day, havent had a chance to do anything. Back to the normal 2nd's and normal 6 days this week. Waiting for my arms to show up then everything is off to powder. Hopefully I will get the head off for port work Monday
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Our local guy Jay Riddle Racing in Morton IL. It will also be dyno tuned and flowed for my cam, piston, carb and exhaust. +1 valves all around, all Kibble parts. Carb will most likely go to Andy at Maul Tech for a bore when I send him my shocks. I was going to have Led do it but I want it dyno'd.
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Quick pics of a bare bones harness in the making.
just a little info for your new harness... Im not sure of your background so forgive me if you already know this!!!
as you noticed Honda stock harness uses several different ground wires going from each branch to one common ...this is to lower the impedance to ground, don't remove too many grounds, but if you do be sure to use a larger gauge wire, to maintain the low impedance,
if too much circular mil worth of ground wires are removed the current will find the easiest path to ground, and sometimes that means pivot bolts are put into the path, causing the bolt to oxidize from electrolysis and seizing ....
Honda used small gauge wire when building the harness but used several to create a low resistance ground system, if you alter the total area of the ground wires too much you will change the way the ground system was engineered
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Correct, and I do different things for different applications. I will get more into this and maybe even start a new thread just for this. This harness being theres no fan or lights will be pretty simple, however as you stated, grounds are #1 priority. I will be replacing some wiring, repinning and also checking terminal tension on both cdi connectors. I also ensure atleast 1-2 motor mounts ground the motor to the frame, if it had a fan I would run a ground from t-stat housing to the frame since I make jumper harnesses for the temp sensor to allow constant fan. It all depends on what I or someone else, and where the want the cdi, reg/rec mounted.
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Bars showed up before work!!!
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Let us know how the bars work out
Will do, I can say that those grips are by far my favorite, Spider, wont buy anything else.
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New oem's and a few other things came in today.
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when you ordered these did you order the r or er rears? some guys r saying that when you order plastic the rears are coming with the kicker or no kicker inserts both included. any truth to both inserts coming?
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Lol, I was just getting ready to comment on 450r.org about that. On all the oem sets Ive ordered, Ive gotten white kickers for an 08', none have come with er inserts, just kickers. If you go to the microfiche It seperates r and er models.
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Thanks. I figured that but someone posted on the 450 forum that it came with both. Must have been Maier or incorrect info. Thanks.
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Need help deciding on color choices before powder. Have new white oem plastic, red Elkas,black bars, and Hipers, everything else can be pc'd whatever. Thoughts? My retro 459r pics are in the 450r pics thread in others section, I really like the blue Quad Tech hood I had, but everything is hard to match up to the Elka red...
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My maeirs came with both...idk about oem.
As far as color...I got nothing lol
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Im thinking about using these Maul Tech graphics, he also has red, and the older flame style which I had on my 86'. I think the blue will stand out more against the red shocks. I will use a blue Quad Tech hood, and blue Hiper rings (maybe blacks?). Now I just need to decide color for the frame, arms and swingarm. Thinking about doing black on the nerfs as my bumper and grab bar will be black too.
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Do a candy blue frame and candy red arms and swinger with black upper arms or something like that.
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Yeah Jaime I did think about doing a blue frame, also thinking hard about red frame and gold arms/swinger. Im having a hard time deciding colors on this build, and having a harder time getting past my last 450r. This had gold arms and swinger.
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Yeah Jaime I did think about doing a blue frame, also thinking hard about red frame and gold arms/swinger. Im having a hard time deciding colors on this build, and having a harder time getting past my last 450r. This had gold arms and swinger.
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Was this one of there old race bikes from K and K atv. Or did you just copy one of there old built bike that ported was there mechanic on them 4-4 yrs ago.
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Love the old school look of that 450. Cale Downen raced that kandk one in 08. I have 2 pics of it saved on my computa.
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Etccb, thank you and I remember that bike, thats what drew me to these graphics. Jaime I rebuilt/built this one, below is what it looked like shortly after I got it. Ditched the floats and bought a set of Axis Ti's off Heather Byrds old bike. Kept the JB/Pep rear. This was the smoothest/best setup Ive ever ran.
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Ok, it just looked real close to there actual race bikes. K and K's that is.
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Ok, it just looked real close to there actual race bikes. K and K's that is.
I wish it was, it was actually an A class quad I picked up cheap, the guy kept his plastic and tires/wheels. It was a 1 owner race bike from day one, so it definitely had a hard life, but the motor and shocks were fresh.
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Still havent picked out colors, everything is in a pile ready for powder. Bought a Rekluse clutch and new brake lines, cam came in,other than that, nothing new to update.
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Update, got my lines today, went with Asr Speedlinez front and rear, came with all hardware. True dual lines up front. Talked to Andy at Maul Tech, sent the Elkas to him today for service and seals. Also getting the updated new style hi/lo comp knobs that are on the stage 5's. Also ordered the Elka front shock gaurds and one of his newest style graphics kits by Dfr. Cant wait to get it all back, I will have pics when I get the shock back. Cant say enough about Andy, we played phone tag for a couple days due to my crazy work schedule, great guy to talk with once again, always a pleasure and you will always learn something talking to him. For those that dont know, he is truely a 250r guy!
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Glad to hear everything is going well, Eric. I, also, am interested in how you like the handlebars and if they really help as much as they claim.
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Im interested as well, Ive never really felt the need for them but I got a great deal. IMO a steering stabilizer and good grips is usually enough. I always use Spider As3's (I think its as3) with great results. Im still undecided on the stabilizer, there are alot of great choices out there. I will probly wait and see what pops up. The Ccp's look nice, and great reviews as well, however, Im curious to try the stick style that Andy offers. Ive used Precision and all brands of sticks before, and seem to prefer sticks, they are cheap and rebuildable.
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Im interested as well, Ive never really felt the need for them but I got a great deal. IMO a steering stabilizer and good grips is usually enough. I always use Spider As3's (I think its as3) with great results. Im still undecided on the stabilizer, there are alot of great choices out there. I will probly wait and see what pops up. The Ccp's look nice, and great reviews as well, however, Im curious to try the stick style that Andy offers. Ive used Precision and all brands of sticks before, and seem to prefer sticks, they are cheap and rebuildable.
If you don't feel a need for them, then sell them to me for a great deal! LOL
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If you don't feel a need for them, then sell them to me for a great deal! LOL
LOL, you will be first in line!. Well I think the decision has been made to go with a blue frame, just not sure on the swinger and arms. Atleast the lowers will be blue.
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Parts at powder, shocks at Maul Tech today, Rekluse tomorrow, finally some light at the end of the tunnel.
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So where is the pics of the parts powdered then man.
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Hoping in 2 weeks parts will be back from powder. Still need to decide on grab bar, bumper and what intake setup I want to run. Need to order bushing kit for my arms,new Hiper rings and get my head done, after that I should have everything........... ...............But theres always something else!
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Hoping in 2 weeks parts will be back from powder. Still need to decide on grab bar, bumper and what intake setup I want to run. Need to order bushing kit for my arms,new Hiper rings and get my head done, after that I should have everything........... ...............But theres always something else!
Thought you were going with a CF intake from Troy.
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As soon as Troy says its a go, I will be all over it, for the mean time I will probly just use oem 06^ boot and box. Im running a crf450 fcr carb instead of the 04-05 carb. I know they have billet adapter to use 04/5 but I will pass on that. Im also going to use the Dasa ring to use a bigger filter
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Got the Rekluse clutch today, also got the head and cyl off. New Honda crank which I knew, but really didnt expect to see these battle wounds on the piston. I have a Baldwin JE 14.1 piston anyways, but I was hoping to reuse the cyl. Not the case now, and Im going to split the cases and double check everything after finding this.
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Ugh! That sucks!
If you don't like the rekluse. ... I'd like to give it a try :) I had the chance to ride a guys quad last year with one and it was kind of weird lol but I can see where it would help in the trails!!
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Definately weird at first! Im bad about using my rear brakes and sliding around trees at higher speed trails, which leads to me killing it often, this will fix that..lol. However, if I cant get used to it, I will send it your way!
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My 05' would haul through the woods, these are good bikes. I had Axis long travel on the front and a revalve with a GT XC link on it and I swear you could have run across the lunar surface in 5th gear pinned. The rear on the early ones have a tendency to buck a little bit on kickers but they will eat almost anything you can find. My engine was a little more mild but I never thought I needed more, I ran the 06 up HRC cam a full exhaust and opened up the air and fuel system, did those mods it showed on the 450 site on the crank case vents and the intake. I ran the thing like a smoker because these are a pretty high strung engine and it accelerated like crazy, I just hated when it flamed out on me until I got used to it. As for the rekluse I wish I had two more hands so I could give it four thumbs down, can't stand those things. If I was going to have another I would buy a slipper clutch to get rid of some of the engine braking. If I wouldn't have bought a pile of high compression/ported/02 CRF cammed nothing and rebuilt my old engine I would probably still own it.
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Ive had a few Mx and TT 450r's but this is the 1st Xc one Ive done. Ive always used 13.1 CP pistons and Crf or 04/05 Hrc cams, along with Sparks or Dasa exhaust. Vent mods and Uni filters, always a good solid reliable combo. This one Im using the 06' Hrc for the bottom end grunt. Along with a 14.1 JE, mild port and Baldwin exhaust,Fcr carb,it should be a stump puller. Im sure it will fall off a little early, but Ive found it better to almost short shift the 04/05's a little early anyways.
This is my first set of nicer Elkas, so Im crossing my fingers on them. Not a huge Elka fan but these should handle the job. I am curious on the stg5's though. Houser swinger and Houser Xc link will soak it up nicely.
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Are things with valves allowed on this site???? :tongue-new:
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:q8z8M: Lol!
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06+ HRC was a really mellow cam in my 05', it made the power band very broad was what I liked about it best. I thought the 02' cam was garbage or the whole engine was or something, thing was very peaky, backyard ported 250R peaky. I really didn't have to play with the shifter much, just lots of clutch so I guess you could say it had good low end but once that thing started chugging out there was no saving it. I actually run a 250r engine down lower than I did that one just because of it stalling, I know they say "do not hold the throttle open" but when that thing stalled WOT and the hot start was the only way it was going to fire. Did you do lower the sub frame on it? I always wanted to on mine but never did because the tubes on the early ones have to have some work done, I always felt it was top heavy and needed it done.
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The Crf cam is definitely "peaky", and your right, lots of clutch. With that and 04/05 Hrc cams I like to leave my idle a little higher than most people. Tends to reduce stalling a little bit, and help with restarts. The "starting procedure" with 04/05 carbs I found that worked best was 2 full pumps of the throttle, kick,2 pumps kick. Hot starting is always a gamble, but the hot start lever is a must! I know the Fcr's make more power but I tend to prefer the 04/5 carbs for the smoother roll on. I have this Fcr left over from the hybrid so its getting used, Im counting on the cam and high compression to get that instant throttle response. If you couple the Crf or Fcr cam with a Crf Fcr, it tends to have alot of 2 stroke feel. Guess we will see how it does, I have plenty of back up parts for different combo's.
I didnt lower the sub, and havent tried one yet, really want to though. I know on the 04/5 subs there are slugs at the bottom mounts that have to be removed then reinstalled after cutting or fab up new ones. Not sure how the 06^ are, Ive only had one 06^, an 07 with full TT motor. I prefer the earlier motors better, but everyone else I know likes the later ones
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Any updates on this build man, come on with the pics. Or did this build fizzle out and your doing something different already. Lol
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Lol Jaime!. Havent been on here much lately, work has been keeping me busy, and I bought a couple s10's. Ones a bagged small block, as if I needed more stuff to work on!.. Anyways, my powder coater called Monday and said my parts are done, Thursday I will pick that up. Just waiting on the call from Andy for my shocks and then on to ordering a long list of stuff I forgot I needed! I will have some pics up this weekend hopefully.
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Lol Jaime!. Havent been on here much lately, work has been keeping me busy, and I bought a couple s10's. Ones a bagged small block, as if I needed more stuff to work on!.. Anyways, my powder coater called Monday and said my parts are done, Thursday I will pick that up. Just waiting on the call from Andy for my shocks and then on to ordering a long list of stuff I forgot I needed! I will have some pics up this weekend hopefully.
Yah just messing with yah bud, I haven't been on here much lately either. Working alot, give me a call this week please.