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Workshop => Suspension and Chassis => Topic started by: supernutt on January 19, 2014, 10:34:41 AM
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Thinking about trying out some 4+1 offset rims on my laeger narrow +4 protrax. Currently have stock rims on the front which are 3.75x1.75 offset. First thing is am I going to notice a difference in handling to justify the cost of the rims? I don't think it handles too bad right now but I don't have much seat time on it and I haven't ridden anything else like it before either. Second thing is which rims should I buy? I don't need bead locks. And I really don't want to spend $400 on 2 front rims. But they have to be durable and be able to take a hit from a tree rut or a rock. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks
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IMO I would run the 4/1 offset especially with that front end. Of course Hipers would be the best choice but budget and buying used Hipers can be a gamble. I have had great luck with Dwt champion in a box kit. Beadlock rears and non bead fronts can be found new at and under $400. They have a better bolt/nut flange setup that can be replaced if damaged. Plus those wheels will take a beating!
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Probably would see very little handling difference. Depending on actual backset measurements the center of the tire will move inboard 1/4-1/2. With the narrower rims you would gain a 1/2-3/4 of tree/rut clearance.
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the width of the machine does not bother me where it is right now so that is not a big concern. Stock rims are strong enough for what I do. I will look into the dwt champion wheels. Thanks.
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Looks like they just use rok-out rolled lip front rims which are $80 a piece. I was looking at those and debating....
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Ive had 3 sets, one being beadlock fronts. Well worth the money either way you go. I have Hipers now (4th set Ive owned) only because I took them in on trade. I do like Hipers, BUT, its a gamble buying them used due to the thread inserts. Definitely worth it to buy them new, or atleast excellent used. None of them issues with the Dwts, however they are harder to find used.
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I have no problem spending $200 on front rims if they are what I want. Also looking at some ITP baja rims. But leaning towards the dwt rok-out wheels. And they will get a beating in my trails for sure!
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Plus the black Rok Outs will look good on your quad!
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Yes. I have to have black wheels. I looked at the cheaper hiper cf1 sport wheels which are like $120 each but I think a good aluminum would be better for what I am doing.
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I like the looks of the dwt evo wheel. It's black and has a really sweet looking reinforcement ring.
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I saw those also but I don't see them listed for the 4+1 offset that i am looking for...they do look really tough
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I hate not having hard riding time on my hipers but I do love having headlocks and not really having to worry about throwing a bead. They can be found moderately cheap. I picked up my whole set of hipers and a set of razr mx fronts for about $475. That's four tech3 wheels and front tires. Not too bad. You do have to watch for cross threading. Prior owner cross threaded it and the insert just spun around. I had to buy a new wheel half. Luckily Hiper is about 1 hour away from me and I got it quickly.
They do weigh a bit in my opinion but for the looks, I'll take it. Back to the headlock thing. I'm actually running mine with no air in them and I have no issues except for a wobble on one of my rears. I hope that's the lack of air and not a jacked up hub or something!
Sorry for being lengthy. I just like to put any and all experience into what I write. It helped me out when deciding to buy the parts that I did.
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The hipers do look cool that's for sure. I just don't know if I want to mess around with the inserts spinning in the plastic. And they are a little more than I want to spend on rims.
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The key to Hipers is not over-torque and use a dab of anti-seize, but yeah, the initial cost is expensive. Atv Galaxy is typically the cheapest on Hipers, and was the cheapest when I bought my last set of Dwt's. They are drop shipped so expect it to take a few extra days
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The key to Hipers is not over-torque and use a dab of anti-seize, but yeah, the initial cost is expensive. Atv Galaxy is typically the cheapest on Hipers, and was the cheapest when I bought my last set of Dwt's. They are drop shipped so expect it to take a few extra days
That's where I bought mine....they beat everyone by about $100 shipped. It only took four business days to get them. Email them from one of their ebay listings. They will get you whatever you want. The DWTs are really nice because you don't have to worry about the inserts since they use backplates. The DWT beadlocks are a little lighter, cheaper, and just as tough.
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The DWT rock outs are awesome wheels, for the price, they can't be beat. They are basically the newer version of the old DWT rolled lip yellow labels. I now run the DWT beadlocks all around, but I ran yellow labels for years on my desert racer before the beadlocks and only bent one, that was due to hitting a rock hard with a flat. Not a fan of the ITP Baja's, I used to bend about one a race (After one race in particular all four were bent!) then I switched to the yellow labels and stopped having to buy rims. Have never tried a set of DWT Evo's, but have heard good things about them, only problem is they are not offered in 4:1 offsets.
Personally, I would get the DWT rock outs, as I said, don't think you can beat them for the price. For rears, either buy a set of G2 beadlocks, or I think DWT also makes just a standard rolled lip, non beadlock version of the G2's. If you are just trail riding, beadlocks aren't really needed at all, but are nice to have, a little easier to swap tires.
I myself would never run Hipers. Lots of people swear by them, but I have seen to many destroyed out in the desert. Hit a rock hard enough and chances are you will just bend an aluminum wheel, but the tire will still hold air and you can continue with no issues. Have seen alot of Hipers crack after a hit, hard to hold air then. Have to slow down at that point, not what you want to do while racing.
As far as offset, due to the front end you are running, I would go 4:1 for sure. Is it worth the money to swap to a 4:1 wheel from stock? Hard to say. You will get a little less feedback through the bars with the 4:1 wheel. How much just depends on where you ride. Lots of rocks and roots, might be worth it. Lots of high speed graded roads, probably won't notice a difference.
Doug
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Yeah but you already got a sweet Laeger what's a few bucks???? DO IT!!!
This. Very confusing scenario you are describing. Have laeger pro trax - for trail riding- and concerned about spending a couple hundred bucks?
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Lol, thats what I was thinking too!