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Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: bnau267 on February 16, 2014, 01:04:50 AM
Attach your link to the drill bits I should be using for drilling out bolts, through sheet metal, etc, etc. Explain when to use cutting oil if ever when drilling.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: Hawaiiysr on February 16, 2014, 02:59:03 AM
Cobalt bits. Steady hard pressure. Not to fast or you'll burn the tip. Use oil to keep the tip cool. I'm sure others will have more to say.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/cobalt-drill-bits.htm
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: rk88r on February 16, 2014, 09:25:04 AM
You know it's going well when the material curls out into spirals.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: bnau267 on February 16, 2014, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: rk88r;25729
You know it's going well when the material curls out into spirals.

I will take that into account.  No big curls means something is going wrong....lol.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: Hawaiiysr on February 16, 2014, 10:56:40 AM
If you can hit the broken bolt with a pointed punch. It will help the bit bite. Last thing you want it the bit to wonder. If the bit wonders then your hole will be off center or crooked. Chips are good to but a nice curly shavings are best.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: Pumashine on February 16, 2014, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: bnau267;25730
No big curls means something is going wrong....lol.
They don't have to be big. If the bit is taller on one side then only one side may be cutting. Happens if you do not resharpen the bit evenly. Then you get lots of little chips coming out instead of one spiral curl on each side. Always use cutting fluid on steel and stainless. On aluminum wd-40 works fine or an oil and kerosine mix for tapping aluminum.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: bnau267 on February 16, 2014, 11:17:49 AM
Do you guys buy bits from Grainger, etc or Home Depot?
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: Pumashine on February 16, 2014, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: Hawaiiysr;25736
If you can hit the broken bolt with a pointed punch. It will help the bit bite. Last thing you want it the bit to wonder. If the bit wonders then your hole will be off center or crooked. Chips are good to but a nice curly shavings are best.

In the shop there is a item called a center drill. It is a stout drill with a small tip. Center punch where the hole you want. The center drill does not wonder like a regular bit because it has a very small tip but does not flex like a 1/8" drill bit. You only start the hole with a center drill and go 1/4" deep. I grew up with the craftsman drill bit set cause my dad only went to Sears for anything.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: C-Leigh Racing on February 16, 2014, 11:57:49 AM
Theres a reverse set type of bits that are good to use & sometimes just the drilling process, will back what is left of the bolt out.
Once you get the broken bolt out, just remember real good all you had to go through to get it out & put some anti-seize on the new bolt or stud. Not every bolt or stud needs locktite, cause long as the threads in the hole & those on the bolt or stud are clean it will hold.
Neil
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: Hawaiiysr on February 16, 2014, 09:23:27 PM
I get my bits from both Grainger or home depot. Just depends. Company account ya know...
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: bnau267 on February 16, 2014, 11:42:00 PM
Alright I'm gonna study and practice and study.  I fry bits like no other.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: C-Leigh Racing on February 17, 2014, 09:10:25 AM
Good sharp bit & real low speed, will last you awhile. With slow rotation speed, you could take an old cheap Globe master drill bit & get the job done.
Neil
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: Rupp250 on February 17, 2014, 09:27:27 AM
For broken bolts, left hand drill bits.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_34761_34761
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: havinnoj on February 17, 2014, 11:00:49 AM
When drilling bolts out, it's always good to have a rethreading/thread restorer kit around.  These are made to help existing threads and not remove as much material as a true tap and die set (although they function the same).  The Kastar 971 (http://www.tooltopia.com/kastar-hand-tools-971.aspx) set (now renamed Lang Tools 971 (http://www.langtools.com/hand-tools/rethreader-tools/68700.html) and made in the USA) is the OEM for Snap-On (Snap-On RTD48 (http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?item_ID=641094&group_ID=675360)) and Matco (Matco TDK51 (http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/TDK51/51-PIECE-RETHREADING-TAP-AND-DIE-SET/)).
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: ytman on February 17, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
I just watched a video on you tube about Artu drill bits that goes against everything I have ever been taught about drilling steel.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: trx88 on February 17, 2014, 12:08:15 PM
slow with pressure, start small, and revert from small to large back and forth
really helps to start with a small bit and go to progressively bigger ones
back and forth
ALWAYS use oil or wd40 when your drilling metal and drill slow

what my shop teacher taught me and works well

also helps to learn to sharpen them on a grinder
you can get more out of your old dull bits and not be afraid to dull them
and quench often when sharpening
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: bnau267 on February 18, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
Got to thinking.  The company I work for has a giant fabrication shop.  These shavings caught my eye!
Everything they do is super sized (Underground Mining Industry).
(http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af169/Bnau267/86%20r/Stuff/drillshavings_zps3035fa2f.jpg) (http://s1004.photobucket.com/user/Bnau267/media/86%20r/Stuff/drillshavings_zps3035fa2f.jpg.html)
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: wilkin250r on February 19, 2014, 01:32:51 AM
I'm with Neil on this one.  Left-handed drill bits.  I can't tell you how often I've gotten only a few thousands deep into a bolt and have it back itself out just because the drill bit is biting into it.  If it's drilling bolts, I would rather have a cheap set of left-handed bits than a really expensive set of right-handed bits.

What I most often do take a dremel with small, round carbide bit (often an engraving bit) and put a starting hole into the bolt, similar to a centerpunch, to keep the bit from wandering.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: bnau267 on February 19, 2014, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: wilkin250r;26041
I'm with Neil on this one.  Left-handed drill bits.  I can't tell you how often I've gotten only a few thousands deep into a bolt and have it back itself out just because the drill bit is biting into it.  If it's drilling bolts, I would rather have a cheap set of left-handed bits than a really expensive set of right-handed bits.

What I most often do take a dremel with small, round carbide bit (often an engraving bit) and put a starting hole into the bolt, similar to a centerpunch, to keep the bit from wandering.

The dremel technique works perfect.  I'm gonna get me a set of left hand bits.
Title: Drill Bits or Maybe Advice
Post by: 312R1 on February 20, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Bob, remind me when you come up this weekend to show you what I use to get broken bolts out. Best gift I have ever got from the wife as far as tools go.