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General => Lounge => Topic started by: Pumashine on June 13, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
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Pm the coc sent me
Thought you'd enjoy all the bs in the pm.
OK...sorry for not living up to your expectations. Try running a full Drag Port at 7000' first, then tell me our porting was not set correctly for 7000'...and if you wanted more top end, we would have done more work on the porting, and dome design as well as the pipe. What you will find out is a full Drag port on a single will not work well at 7000', the porting you got is very good all around, and Hill shooting while still living at 7000'.
As far as haters go...we have a few, interesting enough so does every other builder. Plus, if you really look at it with an open mind, you will see the so called haters that are BDT customers are 2 including you. Everyone else feeds of the 'frenzy' lies create. Plus; ask your self why we are the 250R & 2 stroke leading shop currenlty.Ask why CP Industries picked BDT to be sole sole distribuotr for Sabers, and eventually (end of 2014) Pumas, followed by Sphynx kits by mid 2015. Let me tell you why, because we are the ONLY shop that could afford to partner up with CP Industires, and the only shop that pays our bills on time. Note that they (CPI) was approached by the Top builders as well, yet they chose BDT...
If we built such 'bad' engines, and 'ripped' everyone off as a few would have you believe, then we would not be so successful. BDT is a 5 man shop...name one other builder that has more than 2 people working on these engines, just one. Hybrid=1 man, JH = 1 man, LED = 1 man, Shear = 1 man, ect...
This dude is such a clown they should call him bozo.
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I have not altered this PM without the exception the replacing another members name with Unknown
Pm the coc sent me
1-man = quality control. If you do the work yourself for your own company your going to put out the highest quality work possible. Yes you can't be on the internet 24-7 or return calls 24-7 but when they do you'll get their full attention and professionalism. I'll wait a little for performance and quality craftsmanship, not out of casting performance and a bad used parts salesman.
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Update:
Some on you have been asking how the New Saber & 'Baby' Saber castings are coming along; they in the final machining process, Saber's they will come to BDT in a 'Raw' state, and all the final Porting & Machining will be done at BDT or by the builder that purchases the 'Raw' castings from BDT.
Note the 'Baby' Sabers (85, 86 and 89 MM) will be the only ones 100% finished at BDT...this includes Porting, Flow, and Nikasil & Diamond Hone. The reason for these being 100% finished at BDT is the special BDT Design of the 'Baby Saber', the precision machining & assembly needed to make these work properly. More details to follow in the coming month or two...
We expect 2-3 more weeks before the castings arrive at BDT.
Carlos
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So the other builders that were working with calvin on babies in the past are now locked out of thier idea?
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So the other builders that were working with calvin on babies in the past are now they are locked out of thier idea?
That is what the snake is claiming. You would have to ask Dave or another CP Industries dealer to get the TRUTH on what is available!
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I guess if you cant beat them. Snake them...?
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Goodlord...
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I guess i will start hoarding cp jugs from now on before bdt takes over the 250r world.
That just reminded me of pinky and the brain lol
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the only reason why he has the sabers is bc they were going to quit making them, and he bought 20. i guess i better start saving for my puma before that terd corners and marks up the entire market. or u could just hoard me a 4mill 85 blank puma ;)
lol @ pinky and the brain look at my shrouds :D
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If it comes down to it and the demand gets high enough I bet you we could get esr to make a bigger cylinder. Forum members and other builder interest together being they are not as big of a rotate item as like a 350 330 310 etc cylinder. At least we have a "possible" angle to work for those in need....
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I'll go buy a 4-stroke or a Banshee before any part of my motor comes from that shit hole
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I wouldn't have such an issue with bdt if it weren't for Carlos. His salesman skills and people skills are awful.
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I'll go buy a 4-stroke or a Banshee before any part of my motor comes from that shit hole
Amen brotherman. My R will be a garage queen or on display in my house with a blown motor before i buy a part from bdt.
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I'll go buy a 4-stroke or a Banshee before any part of my motor comes from that shit hole
+1, besides those new banshee DM pipes arlan has been posting pictures of on facebook be givin me a stiffy XD
140hp midrange bike? sure why not LOL.
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I would 150% walk away from my near 30 year obsession before I spent a dime with someone that has done all of the low down dirty no good rotten underhanded crooked things that has been done to the 250r family.
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This is an opportunity, for a Eddie, Arlen or a collaboration, to offer a larger cylinder. These guys would have more business, then the competitors! We need to take control of the "R" :onthego::onthego:
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a full Drag port on a single will not work well at 7000'
So the Packard 250R's running in their backyard, Sand Mountain, Utah (5500') must have ran pretty crappy at that elevation then too huh?! Or were those "all around port jobs"?
you will see the so called haters that are BDT customers are 2 including you. Everyone else feeds of the 'frenzy' lies create.
Really? Only 2? There were way more customers than that in just the last thread on BDT built motors. Seems like every couple weeks there's a new unsatisfied customer on Facebook too. Wonder how many don't even post about it.
ask your self why we are the 250R & 2 stroke leading shop currently
Wonder how you came to that conclusion? Most items listed on eBay? Shop that can't give away a used BDT built Sphynx?
Ask why CP Industries picked BDT to be sole sole distributor for Sabers
Because nobody was buying these cylinders and you paid for 20 up front. I fully applaud this effort but don't act like CPI chose you because you were Simply the Best. You still have to sell to cylinders to builders at dealer cost.
Note that they (CPI) was approached by the Top builders as well, yet they chose BDT...
Again - nice "spin & transmit" - more like these builders didn't want to buy and sit on 20 cylinders for 8 years when only a couple were selling each year.
If we built such 'bad' engines, and 'ripped' everyone off as a few would have you believe, then we would not be so successful
:rofl: Please define what makes BDT "so successful".. is it the 5 buildings that make up the BDT complex that nobody has seen? Is it the motors or pipes nobody has seen a dyno of? Is it the empty promises to race 300'?
Carlos - you've been banned from a number of online forums because most folks & builders can't stand you. You could be a positive asset to the 250R community if you could just be honest and upfront.
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Hopefully its just a lot of smoke and lights, but it's a shame for any drama to go on after Calvin has passed away. I'm cool with the saber deal since it basically saved a line from being discontinued. But, if the puma and sphynx deals are for real, then that's screwed up. Its one thing to have a monopoly on something you create, but cornering the market on somebody else's product is cut throat business.
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I would just love to actually see a bdt bike in person. I see a lot of ESR, CT, ect but not one bdt. I don't live far away hw don't I see this successful companies motors at the local events? In pismo? No where but a small select guys he gives parts to so they advertise for him.
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I will be curious if BDT actually machines these cylinders themselves, they claimed in the past that they bought sphynx and puma cylinders raw so they could machine cylinders themselves.
Well I just so happen to have a new machined BDT cylinder come thru my shop and I also just so happen to have the exact cylinder bought directly from CP. The markings and style of writing were the same on both cylinders telling me this cylinder was purchased already machined from CP. Now I will give BDT credit for machining the cylinders nut surface square with the cylinders base to eliminate stresses on the case bolts in attempt to stop case bolts from breaking. CP should add this step to their process for better durability for its customers.
the cylinder on the left is a BDT the right is direct from CP I started the porting on the tunnels of the BDT cylinder before taking this picture so ignore them. Look closely at the writing and tell me I if I am wrong in thinking both were done by CP
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I had another pic of the tops of the cylinder but for some reason it's gone but again the writing is in the same spot in the same style writing. The customer that bought this cylinder was told by Carlos him self that they machined this cylinder, which I is highly suspect.
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Dave,
You know its kinda tuff, sitting here & you & me know things that nobody else does, but we cant say anything about how we know. Know what I'm talking about ?.
Neil
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Yes I know what you are saying Neil!
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Spill the beans!
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Know what I'm talking about ?l
Oh Neil, this is a no brainer. 2 cylinders from the same machining factory with the same handwriting. But somehow they look exactly the same. One was machined by BDT but no one can tell the difference. That means BDT does the best machining as they can match a cylinder 1800 miles away. Dah!!!
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Nope, got nothing to do with Daves post Tony.
Its sad in a way because we cant say, but Dave is a bit more higher ranking than myself & we have the honor of finding out stuff before 3/4 of the United States ever even gets a whiff of it.
Kinda like hes got a key & I got the other one that both have to unlocks the button at a nuke site & were standing in the crowed & nobody knows we have them or got anything to do with it.
I'll stop right here before I go to far & end up getting myself into trouble. I portray an ol dumb hillbilly & thats just how I want it to stay.
Neil
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Money Tony! It's always about the coin! :crushed:
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i dont see what altitude has to do with tuning problems. youll be down on power alittle at 7000 but thats to be expected. im at 6300 and probly 5hp less than sealevel i would guess. not much you can do about it unless you get some help from a turbo or nitrous or something
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I may be completely misreading this but it sounds like your hinting that dave and yourself know something controversial but cant tell. If thats the case you should at least say if its good news or bad news coming.
Nope, got nothing to do with Daves post Tony.
Its sad in a way because we cant say, but Dave is a bit more higher ranking than myself & we have the honor of finding out stuff before 3/4 of the United States ever even gets a whiff of it.
Kinda like hes got a key & I got the other one that both have to unlocks the button at a nuke site & were standing in the crowed & nobody knows we have them or got anything to do with it.
I'll stop right here before I go to far & end up getting myself into trouble. I portray an ol dumb hillbilly & thats just how I want it to stay.
Neil
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I may be completely misreading this but it sounds like your hinting that dave and yourself know something controversial but cant tell. If thats the case you should at least say if its good news or bad news coming.
thats why i say buy your CP cylinders while you still have a chance
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I would just love to actually see a bdt bike in person. I see a lot of ESR, CT, ect but not one bdt. I don't live far away hw don't I see this successful companies motors at the local events? In pismo? No where but a small select guys he gives parts to so they advertise for him.
Kevhes11 I have tried several time to get him to get one of his customers to bring there special "simply the best" BDT built dream 250r's to Ventura to run against mine for fun....But as usual get a bunch of twisted up words and excuses as to why he can't/won't show....But yet the very next day he will post something about how one of his BDT customers raced this that and the other......You know Carlos is the case somebody that has to brag loud about their business in reality they have nothing and have to brag to fill the void.....And of course those select guys are going to stand up for him...wouldn't you if you got free parts and discounts???...
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I had another pic of the tops of the cylinder but for some reason it's gone but again the writing is in the same spot in the same style writing. The customer that bought this cylinder was told by Carlos him self that they machined this cylinder, which I is highly suspect.
Kinda like how the Quick-Change covers were made in house too huh?
Except for when they fail.......then it's someone else's fault
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this what carlos is hoping for,If cp only could sell a couple of cylinders a year ,than how would the demand for them be any greater.by putting the fear into people that there is a shortage in order to increase the demand for them
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It's about dictating. If he can try to control, a piece of every aspect of this machines, he has power! He already tried to control the OEM (NOS) parts. I'm telling you guys now, a monster in the making! Paranoid maybe?
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Has anyone talked to shrear, hybrid, mcoy, packard about this CPI deal? Have they said anything? Did CPI offer them anything? Would be neat to hear what they say.
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That actually makes a lot of sense. Scary. Glad i don't have plans to build one
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A big machine shop purchased CP, they do not need any outside help to machine cylinders.
Chris at CP told me if anyone wants to purchase 20 cylinders like BDT did then they will cast and machine them and sell directly to you.
Sales for the saber have only been a few cylinders a year for some time, CP's new owners are making financial decisions, if the product is not making money for them then you can not blame them for wanting to drop the product. The real question is if this was a smart financial decision by BDT?
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Look at how much money they have spent trying to corner the market on both used and NOS stuff. Remember all the hype around Pine Lake last year. I don't know what the cost of these cylinders are, especially at dealer prices, but if he can cause some hype and sell a few extra this year plus all the used parts(plus labor and more machine work) he needs to build them, then I'd guess that he'll be real close, if not above his investment. The rest will become profit. I'm sure dealer pricing doesn't give him a whole lot of extra price break. Not much at all I'm sure.
I'm sure I'm not the only one dying to know what the "secret" is, but I won't ask
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From my understanding it's not cornering a market. They are required to sell to other builders at the same cost. The only benefit is that BDT has agreed to buy enough of them to make it worth CP's time to continue to cast them. It's an everyone win situation. Cost stays the same and instead of long lead times waiting for them to cast they are available to buy immediately.
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They are required to sell to other builders at the same cost.
Didn't you read Carlos statement that Baby sabers must be machined by BDT? Why would a builder want to buy BDT's work? This machining costs money over the base Saber price obviously! So Carlos is forcing you to buy what you don't want.
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I could care less abt cornering the market on big cylinders(or trying to). It's the parts deal I think is crappy. Especially if he buys your motor, claims it's junk but then has no problem reselling it as GOLD. If it's junk then trash it.
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I'll believe it when I see it that he doesn't tack on some kind of charge. That's not the American way!
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I agree Bdt saved the the saber. I'll go out on a limb here and say not every builder wanted to commit to 20K in cylinders that would possibly sit for an unknown amount of time.
Carlos cornered the saber market. We can only get them threw him. I would rather wait for CPI to cast me one but that's not an option. That's how he cornered the market. Its bitter sweet. Kutos to him for fronting the funds.
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Cornering implys he's making money by doing this. He's only going to benefit by selling cylinders to customers. You can still buy a saber from packard or shrear or hybrid for the same price as before. Only difference is they will call bdt instead of CPI because that's who stocks them it's not that big of deal.
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BDT and ESR are the only two companies currently investing in the future of the 250r. Seriously. Both companies want to see the 250r continue. Because of passion . Because they love the 250r.
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We all have the choice of not buying from a known liar, carlos is an expert at marketing and there will be a few that will fall into his trap,hopefully they will be as happy as Kyle, .I will hang my bike from the garage ceiling and just look at it before I ever bought a part from that jackass
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If sales for the puma and sphynx stay at a profitable level then CP will continue to offer them, nobody is buying the saber because they are very expensive to build much like a full blown puma motor.
Only a few extreme people will be interested in building a Saber when Pumas can easily make 75 on gas and well into the 90's in a full blown drag motor on alky.
Way to much drama is going on about this, and Kudos for BDT for keeping the Saber alive but IMO it will be a very long time before they see a return on there money.
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BDT and ESR are the only two companies currently investing in the future of the 250r. Seriously. Both companies want to see the 250r continue. Because of passion . Because they love the 250r.
Not true, just the only ones you know of.
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Not true, just the only ones you know of.
Arlan,at LED reproducing tranny gears is a great example. Kyle I believe you to be an honest man, but sticking your head in the sand so that you don't see what's going on around you is like lying to yourself.
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Ya true about LED. forgot about the gears. That is a great thing to have coming down the road.
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Those gears from LED are available right now and are very nice, I have a set for a Puma build
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Do they have a complete trans yet? I think i read 1-3 was available, which is the ones that are really needed. Props to LED, that is a huge step for the 250r community.
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The whole small bore Saber thing may not have needed any molding changes or very little if so. I had a guy inquiring about a 90mm bore liger because he had a class limit of 500cc I had Chris measure a raw casting and it was right around 86mm as casted.
now you have to remember these are raw castings so just because it had 4 mm extra bore material does not guarantee that the bore is not oval in shape or even not square to the top and bottom of the cylinder. I would love to see how they decide to make the first cut on a raw cylinder, because that first cut is what every other cut is based on.
in the case of the small bore Liger, CP was not willing to cut on just one cylinder because of machine setup time and the fact they were behind on getting product out the door. If we are lucky in the near future they will get caught up with machining cylinders and possibly will take on special projects.
2 brand new CNC machines were bought by the new company solely for machining cylinders, all new fixtures were built for each style cylinder, head and other accessories.
So the future looks bright for machining quality and production speed, now we just have to hope the market will be strong enough to support the products.
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Do they have a complete trans yet? I think i read 1-3 was available, which is the ones that are really needed. Props to LED, that is a huge step for the 250r community.
Not a complete trans just the 1-3 gears, I believe if the demand is there for a complete trans Arlan will make it.
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(IMO) xxx invests more with xxx then the R as you can see from how they handle twist and state things. They are about investing into them, not to be confused with the same investing into the 250r's future the way that esr has. And yes we also others like led and his tranny parts helping us out as well.
Props to everyone helping the R live on......Thank You
>>These are just my personal opinions and in no way intended to put down, attack, throw rocks at, or in general to cause crap for burns and his own personal opinions posted above.<<
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Every company. BDT ESR LED...ect are in it to make money. Don't pretend that ESR isn't doing what they do to make a living just like everyone else. I fully support what all the 250r company s do. But its crazy that you think that BDT is different than the others for trying to make money. They all do do it for the money.
Also don't worry about me and my feelings. I think this discussion is healthy for all of us. As long as we can respectfully disagree, i see no harm in talking about this stuff.
I know alot of you will think this is crazy, but i still hope that this will all settle down and the community will come to peace. This divided house isn't good for the future of the 250r.
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I agree everyone needs to keep the lights on but some have very different ways of handling and doing business. Very different....
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I know alot of you will think this is crazy, but i still hope that this will all settle down and the community will come to peace. This divided house isn't good for the future of the 250r.
I don't believe the R community would be any different than it was 5 years ago before BDT started. What has BDT done for us? Other than you and A/O talking like this mom and pop builder are a big thing. Have never seen the name anywhere except .NET The only reason he is there because he got booted everywhere else for being a cheap bastard and not supporting the site. He bought his way into .Net to avoid being booted, and not to any of OUR members liking. I am sorry Kyle but BDT is a unknown shop not in the 250r future IMO.
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I get where your coming from. But honestly if they where so unknown they would be still be open. It takes a lot of revenue to keep a business alive. Only thing that keeps revenue coming is is happy returning customers... Thats business 101. Its been over 5 years since BDT joined the internet 250r community. That means that they must be keeping customers happy. There simply isnt enough 250r people to piss off more than once and stay open.. Right???
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I don't even think it's really BDT. It's more Carlos that's the issue. Unfortunately he represents bdt so they get dragged into it. He dose blow a lot of smoke no one can say he dosent it's just the way he is I don't care because I buy what I want and it's never new cut my ass is a broke ass lol. Being a "newer" company to the R world there gonna have mess ups just like any one doest part of life. There obviously trying to go big. Good for the company. Carlos is a hood salesman with lots of smoke just like any other good salesman out there (there are some non smoke salesman 2 but far inbetween). Carlos irritates a lot of people and unfortunately that drags bdt into it to. I try not to get irritated or even comment much on this stuff but carlos irritates me as well but I just ignore it and move on. I also try to keep the 2 separate meaning carlos as one. Then bdt as another. Because in the end bdt is another r vendor tho I like other vendors better as my preference. End of my thought can bash as you like I don't really bother me lol. Just had to state my .02
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I don't even think it's really BDT. It's more Carlos that's the issue. Unfortunately he represents bdt so they get dragged into it. He dose blow a lot of smoke no one can say he dosent it's just the way he is I don't care because I buy what I want and it's never new cut my ass is a broke ass lol. Being a "newer" company to the R world there gonna have mess ups just like any one doest part of life. There obviously trying to go big. Good for the company. Carlos is a hood salesman with lots of smoke just like any other good salesman out there (there are some non smoke salesman 2 but far inbetween). Carlos irritates a lot of people and unfortunately that drags bdt into it to. I try not to get irritated or even comment much on this stuff but carlos irritates me as well but I just ignore it and move on. I also try to keep the 2 separate meaning Carlos as one. Then bdt as another. Because in the end bdt is another r vendor tho I like other vendors better as my preference. End of my thought can bash as you like I don't really bother me lol. Just had to state my .02
Carlos is BDT how do you see them being separate.it has been shown many times that he is a liar, liars don't stop lying, they tell more lies to cover the past lies.The mistrust and dislike that a lot of people have for him ,comes from these lies and the disrespectful way that he went after people that have been doing this for 20 years before he started BDT.I don't see this changing, the best thing he could do for his business is to never say or post another word on line. He should be silent because that is the only ****ing way that he's not going to lie
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i see whats going on here. you guys trying to save the world from coc. well it aint gonna happen. people still gonna buy from there regardless how many times their studs break off :glee:. its like the wiseco crankshaft shit. go on alot of other sites and people still buying that chinese garbage no matter how many times you tell em its gonna break in half. might as well move on to a new topic
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