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FAQ's & Technical Articles => Techincal Section => Exhaust => Topic started by: fast350r on August 18, 2015, 12:52:03 AM
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Looking for opinions im having a hard time deciding what inframe pipe to buy. I have an order with arlan but hes about a month out and i already waited 3 weeks . I was debating between just sucking it up and waiting for the led, or going with a custom kenny roberts or cpi inframe.
Both cpi and kenny said the will have a pipe made by next friday. I got kenny roberts number from John at sandtoyz , i know he welds BDT pipes but he is willing to build me one on the side 600 bucks which i thought was a killer deal. Cpi is even cheaper at 490.
My motor is a 431 puma ported by matt shearer of course the best thing to do is to run the shearer inframe but my buddy has one and it has zero bottom end.
What do you guys think would be the best buy and the best performing pipe for a hard running duner?
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i see ur in phoenix, perhaps you could get jerry hall the specs for your motor and have him build you one locally?
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Yeah i talked to him , hes 2 months out tho
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Didn't Matt build your motor why not have him build you an in frame pipe, he built me a sweet in frame for my sphinx
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I have a shearer pipe I tested off my friends puma, and that thing rips but its a light switch type of power. almost un-usable I looking for something that has a broad power band I can lug around.
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but yeah you sphinx pipe is hella sick , props. Im basically looking for an opition between LED , Kenny Roberts , or cpi I know they will all be good pipes
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My shearer is a broad power not a light switch it's a new design so you might see if Matt can rework the pipe to work.
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yeah it might be the old design pipe we have, but we are also dealing with a different cat
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yeah it might be the old design pipe we have, but we are also dealing with a different cat
Not to mention Skeans1 and I are running the smart carb on our inframe shearer pipes. My inframe Shearer Puma pipe works fine on the bottom end with the help of the smart carb. New motor, new pipe, new carb is evolution.
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Not to mention Skeans1 and I are running the smart carb on our inframe shearer pipes. My inframe Shearer Puma pipe works fine on the bottom end with the help of the smart carb. New motor, new pipe, new carb is evolution.
That smart carb sure does help, Puma what is your opinion both cpi and Kenny are a week and half wait time and around 500 - 600 , led has my deposit but he probably wont begin my pipe until 1 month. should suck it up and wait or get another pipe and go riding labor day weekend ?
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i would use the pipe u have to ride over labor day and wait until arlan finishes the one u put a deposit on, i remember in your other thread u said it was mid-top end ported, so u will pry not gain much on the bottom end anyway. if you wanted a more usable powerband, u shouldnt have had it top end ported.
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That smart carb sure does help, Puma what is your opinion both cpi and Kenny are a week and half wait time and around 500 - 600 , led has my deposit but he probably wont begin my pipe until 1 month. should suck it up and wait or get another pipe and go riding labor day weekend ?
I have heard some negative comments how the CPI pipe does not fit well. I would definitely go with Kenny.
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Kenny it is then
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HAHAHHAHAHAH so I screwed myself by posting this on .NET. Kenny Roberts called me to tell me he cant sell me an exhaust because Carlos was on his ass for building me one on the side for 600 as he promised. he said he has to charge me the wurks price of 850. If I would of know Kenny worked for BDT I would of kept my mouth shut and got a killer deal, so the Kenny Roberts pipe is out of the deal . :culpability: SOB
When bad things happen good things follow , I just talk to Arlan and he told me he has an LED puma pipe in chrome ready to ship today I will have on my bike rippinn by Friday .
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Thats awesome lmao i kinda saw that coming
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I'd post it up on .net and screw the coc a bit.
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why did u edit out your KR special price from ur net post LOL u should leave it on there
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I edit it because Carlos is an ass, I didn't mean to cause any problems for Kenny I seriously didn't know he worked there. John at sandtoyz said he was the man when it comes to hand build pipes so he gave me his direct cell.
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BIGGGG shout out to Arlen, for selling me his pipe. This pipe was not for sale because he was saving it for his personal bike. LED Performance is TOP NOTCH
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You could defiantly see that coming.
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@LEDPerformance is TOP NOTCH
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What kind of man would take that crap?!? Does Carlos own him or something? if the man said he would make you a pipe he should stick to his word. The only way I could see that happening is if he was gonna make the pipe IN building 3 lol!!! If that's the case you are better off. If Kenny was the legend everyone says, he should have told carlos to suck it! Is the coc gonna start making the pipes himself lol!!! In the end everything worked out due to the contribution of a REAL R supporter.
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They must have some kind of agreement since Kenny works out of a BDT building, yeah he does make the WURKS pipe for Carlos but Im pretty sure Kenny has different pipe designs he can build as long as he doesn't copy the wurks BDT should not get involved. No one owns no one, Kenny should be able to do business on side on his own time without having to render any dues to BDT.
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i would love to have a KR pipe. however i will never buy a bdt pipe so one day we can only hope......
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They must have some kind of agreement since Kenny works out of a BDT building, yeah he does make the WURKS pipe for Carlos but Im pretty sure Kenny has different pipe designs he can build as long as he doesn't copy the wurks BDT should not get involved. No one owns no one, Kenny should be able to do business on side on his own time without having to render any dues to BDT.
Exactly. Things that make you go hmm. Is there a contract that he can't make money on the side or just not off .org members? What it boils down is that the coc almost ruined your trip over a few dollars that he was going to have no hand in creating/earning whereas another builder literally took his own pipe off his quad to help you out.😈 Funny how life works
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The wuks are kenny pipes with a xxx sticker not the other way around. He was not hired to come in and make pipes to specs that they provided to him he was hired for his pipe knowledge and specs and skill. Have there been some pipe spec tweaks here and there while kenny worked there probably here and there for this or that but don't let someone fool you on where the wuks pipes really come from. If kenny walks the wuks walks.
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Exactly. Things that make you go hmm. Is there a contract that he can't make money on the side or just not off .org members? What it boils down is that the coc almost ruined your trip over a few dollars that he was going to have no hand in creating/earning whereas another builder literally took his own pipe off his quad to help you out. Funny how life works
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I hear ya, Arlen saved my behind for sure , big Thanks to him. Things like that is what makes a business successful , when your earn peoples respect and business.
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I hear ya, Arlen saved my behind for sure , big Thanks to him. Things like that is what makes a business successful , when your earn peoples respect and business.
The LED puma pipe has good bottom end. You will be happy with it. Too bad you had to get caught up in BDT BS. Let him go out of business selling pipes for $850, the guy is a complete dumbazz:rofl:
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The LED puma pipe has good bottom end. You will be happy with it. Too bad you had to get caught up in BDT BS. Let him go out of business selling pipes for $850, the guy is a complete dumbazz:rofl:
I know I cant wait to get riding, hey bro what is that pipe on your red trx in your album pic #1, not the PT pipe the other knarly one
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I know I cant wait to get riding, hey bro what is that pipe on your red trx in your album pic #1, not the PT pipe the other knarly one
Thats the Shear inframe Puma pipe. Its smart carb powered.
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its bad ass I didn't recognize it with that silencer
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Non compete clause's are not uncommon for tradesmen
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Only If the idea was used though Brad I'm sure he would of done something different
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Non compete clause's are not uncommon for tradesmen
Many tradesmen do side jobs. A non-compete would only kick in if he was working for a competitor or using the brand I think, but I'm not a lawyer. I doubt that this is the first non-BDT pipe that he has made. The only reason he is making a stink is that it came up on the forum that he "owns". It's hilarious how a KR pipe costs 600 but a BDT pipe made by KR costs 850. The coc is all about the suckers. 🐑🔫💸
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Non compete clauses are about competition for the business. It's a conflict of interest if you provide the same service your employer does, at a lower cost. Really doesn't matter what 'brand' it is, still a KR pipe. If he'd kept his mouth shut, he'd have a reasonably competitively priced KR pipe to chose from.
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What's the cost on the LED pipe?
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If he'd kept his mouth shut, he'd have a reasonably competitively priced KR pipe to chose from.
Awesome. I agree but we all love talking about our quads. If that wasn't the case none of us would be here lol. I'm glad it worked out in the end. I'm going riding and camping for 3 or 4 days over labor day too and the last thing I would want is to be worrying about whether my pipe will get to me on time.:cool:
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Led pipe is 399 , plus 195 for the muffler . Yeah if i would if not posted anything or needed a simple opinion on what pipe i should go for , i would have a KR pipe for the same price as an LED. But il double state in all caps I DID NOT KNOW HE WORKED FOR BDT. I talked to john at sandtoy to see if he had a pipe to he wanted to sell and he said call Kenny heres him number, thats all . And i didnt know posting about my new motor and pipe is a crime . Can someone please explain what the purpose of a forum is then , because i seem to be un-educated .
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Been funny if you had got it built on a picture of the shipping labels and the pipe with the price to screw with Carlos
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Hahahahhahahahha yup
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What's he going to do fire his pipe builder, if it was me I would of set up as a contractor lol
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Carla acts like Kenny doesn't have the means to build pipes on the side....as if he needs building #7 to do all of his work (we haven't seen buildings 1-6). If you can weld as good as Kenny, you have all of your own equipment.
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Carla acts like Kenny doesn't have the means to build pipes on the side....as if he needs building #7 to do all of his work (we haven't seen buildings 1-6). If you can weld as good as Kenny, you have all of your own equipment.
Carlos lies and that is it. He supplies everything Kenny needs to make pipes. And a good paycheck. He did not have a conversation with Kenny, the boss told him he was not doing pipes on the side. End of conversation.
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Exactly. After seeing it on the forum he went to kenny about it. 20 more lies are not going to change it.
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Done , shes a beast!!!!!!
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Sweet bike
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Thanks
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well I ended up with the pipe... since I am playing with bigger toyz I needed a bigger pipe.even got to help finish it up.... .. (http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/145_6262_2017-04-18_3616.jpg)(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/145_6263_2017-04-18_934.jpg)
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looks like a big dog turd fo sho
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Damn that monster cylinder looks awesome with that pipe. Great looking bike overall.
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looks like a big dog turd fo sho
REALLY? Kenny builds some of the most beautiful artistic pipes on the planet,,,, don't let your hate for one person take away from the magic that Kenny does, please ....
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looks like a big dog turd fo sho
So this must be the pipe Rob was saying on his Facebook bench racers page that someone backed out on...made it sound like Kenny was making it out of the goodness of his heart without being paid for and the buyer backed out after it was made. I wouldn't want to pay an extra 250 either.
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i agree with all your statements kasey.
So this must be the pipe Rob was saying on his Facebook bench racers page that someone backed out on...made it sound like Kenny was making it out of the goodness of his heart without being paid for and the buyer backed out after it was made. I wouldn't want to pay an extra 250 either.
i dont have facebook so i dont read these things kasey. if you got ahold of a KR piece without lining the pockets of the saleman that serves up shit sandwiches thats awesome. thanks for the backstory sam.
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It's a nice looking pipe for sure. And no denying that KR got the skills. It's shame he works at ___. With an asshole. I'm sure he could make it on his own. Or team up with a better partner.
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It's a nice looking pipe for sure. And no denying that KR got the skills. It's shame he works at ___. With an asshole. I'm sure he could make it on his own. Or team up with a better partner.
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So this must be the pipe Rob was saying on his Facebook bench racers page that someone backed out on...made it sound like Kenny was making it out of the goodness of his heart without being paid for and the buyer backed out after it was made. I wouldn't want to pay an extra 250 either.
You cant talk about someone backing out after out of the blue upping the price on them $250.00. Defiantly not on the buyer and wrong for anyone to at all shed a negative light on the person that originally place the order.
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I dunno the whole story be he should have honored original price quoted, fast350 that bike is badass man.
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ah so i found the post after digging through public facebook posts
the BURN of the month
the guy tells him with no reason that he doesn't want it now
I guess this is the new norm in America today, no accountability for your word or your actions.
i guess rob is as good at twisting stories as the shit sandwich slinger.
I dunno the whole story be he should have honored original price quoted
agreed, but apparently this is the new norm in america today where people hold no accountability for your words or actions, like clearly quoting a pipe for $600 then jacking the price up $250 when its finished.
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That is a 100% bs spin. I am afraid direct contact is rubbing off.
I hope you feel proud of yourself Rob.
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well I ended up with the pipe... since I am playing with bigger toyz I needed a bigger pipe.even got to help finish it up.... .. (http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/145_6262_2017-04-18_3614.jpg)(http://forums.trx250r.org/vbulletin_imports/145_6263_2017-04-18_1707.jpg)
Thats a nice pipe Kasey, hope it works well for you. Rob seems to be the biggest azz kisser alive! Thatz the most BS I have ever heard. Any Pipe Kenny builds will eventually be boughten.
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There's a reason there isn't a Selvy shop anymore either
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There's a reason there isn't a Selvy shop anymore either
I can believe that it may have taken Kenny 16 hours to build the pipe. Lets do the math: $600.00 / 16 hours = $37.50 per hour. I do not know how well equipped their shop is but I could not keep my doors open if my shop rate was around $40.00 per hour.
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I can believe that it may have taken Kenny 16 hours to build the pipe. Lets do the math: $600.00 / 16 hours = $37.50 per hour. I do not know how well equipped their shop is but I could not keep my doors open if my shop rate was around $40.00 per hour.
Jerry how many hours do your #19 pipes take you to build?
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Jerry how many hours do your #19 pipes take you to build?
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It takes 14 to 15 hours to build the production hand coned HPR 19 pipe, silencer and exhaust flange in batches of 5 or more pipes at a time . Custom pipes and prototypes take longer.
There are a lot of pipe builders that will knock out a tig welded hand coned pipe in 4 to 8 hours. The majority of tig welds are fuse welded giving 50% to 80 % penetration on most of the welds. It really slows you down when you try to get 90% to 100% penetration doing fuse welds using tig. The tig welds viewed from the outside on most of these pipes are beautiful but the welds on the inside have sharp edges, burrs and need a lot of love in the sections where the gas velocity is high. It takes a lot of time to make love to these high velocity areas and adds considerable cost.
We weld the majority of our pipes with a torch. The torch produces a weld that is softer and does not tend to crack when you spend the time to make the inside of a hand cone pipe relatively smooth. It takes a lot of time to produce a hand coned pipe that is built like the old works pipes. The majority of the hand coned pipes being built today do not have works technology nor craftsmanship but only look like works pipe from 50 feet away.
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hummm,choppy verses nonchoppy ,the COC was on to something .