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General => Lounge => Topic started by: Trusty2stroke on October 31, 2015, 09:46:01 PM
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I know i will be burned at the stake for this but here me out haha. Ive been riding my R for the past 2 years and never had a complaint with it. Well my suspension was long overdue for a service so I put the bike out of action while the shocks were being redone. In the 2 month period that it took for the shocks i aquired a 450r project and got it going. So i have been cruising that around for a few weeks. Finally got my shocks back and rode the 250r today and just was kinda bummed out by it. The bike ran terrific and the fresh shocks worked good too, my problem is that im finding it really umcomfortable. The bike feels very rigid and stiff compared to my 450. The seat feels awfully stiff and its just really "twitchy" i guess you would call it. Now my R has laeger +2+1 and axis up front, ohlins in rear, pep stabilizer, antivibe stem, and a fresh set of gbc xc masters. The 450 has completly stock suspension, wore out razr 2 tires, and it does have a nice precision stabilzer. Im still very happy with my 250s power but does anyone else find the 250r uncomfortable after riding a 450r?
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Can't compare. I love the way my 88 r feels. It feels like your in it. Riding the 450 it feels like your "on" it
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I've never ridden a TRX450r but I have an 05 yfz450 and it seems alot more ruff than my R but I like both bikes just depends on my mood and whether or not I feel like using the kickstart or electric start
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My r is way more fun/awesome/comfortable than my buddy's yfz, never rode a 450r though
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Well to start hmmmm really not the same at all. 250r wins all day ! Your seat needs new foam. This will make your ass happy
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Can't compare. I love the way my 88 r feels. It feels like your in it. Riding the 450 it feels like your "on" it
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I second this thought. The 450r feels like your driving a tank. The 250r your part of the bike. Your suspension should be set for the type of riding you do.
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Stiff and rigid should be able to be taken care of with softer springs or dampening adjustments.
Your Seat sounds dry rotted. New foam and / or cover should do the trick as mentioned. If it's still to stiff drill holes in the foam (actually did this on a dirt bike a while back and worked well, I went straight down for the most part with a few drills through the side).
My new thing with the R (and two strokes in general) is I think I'm getting to lazy and the hyper'ness of it catches me off guard to much. I'm afraid I may someday go with a 4 stroke :culpability:
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Sounds like the setup is not quite correct for you. Twitchy means you need to set your toe and caster. Stiff means you need to set your sag and compression
Best regards
-Jason
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Thats how my 450 feels to me. The 250 feels like im on top of it and sitting high up. Maybe its all in my seat, Its equal to concrete lol.
Can't compare. I love the way my 88 r feels. It feels like your in it. Riding the 450 it feels like your "on" it
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Also, will handlebars make a difference? My 250 has a set of protaper 7/8 atv bend with odi lock-on grips, the 450 has tag t2 fat bars with smith grips? can different handlebars soak up vibrations better?
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Handle bars absolutely affect the feel of a bike.
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Also, will handlebars make a difference? My 250 has a set of protaper 7/8 atv bend with odi lock-on grips, the 450 has tag t2 fat bars with smith grips? can different handlebars soak up vibrations better?
A quick easy way to help vibrations is get a can of spray foam fill the bar ends full and let both ends expand over night cut the foam flush an reinstall your grips.
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I have ridden/raced many different quads over the past 30+ years and can definitely say my R rides and handles better than any other quad. Granted four pokes are easier to ride they just don't smell right. I think something is not setup properly on your R. Just my personal opinion. Hope you get it figured out.
Allen
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I don't have as much experience as hunter tools but. I have never rode something that felt as good as a R!
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DAMPER. Does your 250 have a steering damper?
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Have you adjusted your 250r suspension since they where rebuilt? They are just set up in a neutral setting when shipped. They need fine tuned.
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They are just at a neautral setting at the moment. The bike feels so much better than it did. I think my main issue is in the seat, stabilizer and bars. Rode both bikes today back to back and Ive narrowed it down that the bars, seat, and precision stabilizer on the 450 are what making it feel smoother than it actually is haha. The 250 just has a plain ol pep stick stablilzer on it now.
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My buddy who rides and races a 450 commented on how precise the handling of my R was. I did put a stabilizer, +2+1 stem, Fourwerx seat foam, Rath nerfs, and a few other add-ons that improved the ergonomics for me.
The 450 does feel much more comfortable for me out of the box though, especially for a tall guy.
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Get a CCP. I still wonder how I rode without one for so long. There are many bends out there for handlebars but I've always preferred the cr high bend if you wanted to give them a try.
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Thats what im gonna try. I have cr high on the 450 and really like them. Ive been lookin at those ccp stabilzers for sometime and just never pulled the trigger on one. Know the seat has got to go lol. I know ceet, hi flite, and fourwerx all make foam but whose is the softest?? I want this thing to be a sofa lol.
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Get a CCP. I still wonder how I rode without one for so long. There are many bends out there for handlebars but I've always preferred the cr high bend if you wanted to give them a try.
X2. Adding the stabilizer to my bike made a world of difference.
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Yup. I'm running the CCP and it made a huge difference in the feel. Especially at pismo where it gets all rutted out.
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I like the ergo of my 450 more than the 250. Both bikes handle great tho, although I'd like to lower the foot pegs and add a taller seat on the R.
X3 on CCP
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I like the ergo of my 450 more than the 250. Both bikes handle great tho, although I'd like to lower the foot pegs and add a taller seat on the R.
X3 on CCP
I feel completely opposite. Seat needs lowered on the 450. It has a plus 2 stem just like my 250 but seems to low still. Got a full set of elka with the linkage For the 450 on that deal earlier thus year so going to take it out and try it Nov 14-15. Maybe those will help with it feeling so rigid. had stock rear and mx built Elka long travel up front.
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Been riding the R more lately and its feeling better, guess I just got used to the 450. The seat still sucks and my clutch feels much harder than the 450 too. It sure is a hell of alot more fun though haha.
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I get asked all of the time at the races, Why the 250r when you can go faster on a 450? My response is always, I know it might not be the fastest thing but I'll guarantee I have the biggest smile on my face out of anyone else on the track.
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I got to say my 250 now has an OEM cylinder with mild port work. Unless there is a guy out there with a lot of skill my little 250 turns same or faster lap times just because it handles so much better. Cant wait to finish my crf450/250r lsr hybrid. Best of both worlds
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Well since I have been fortunate enough to have had the pleasure of riding a 250R and a 450R with a 250R engine in it I can tell ya....NOTHING compares to the 250R!!!!! You sit down low on the 250R, lower center of gravity, better handling....The 450r was designed for a taller motor and they made the seat height taller too!!! If they kept the same geometry as the PROVEN 250R they would have a perfect ride!! The 450R is better suited for taller riders with long legs....I'm 6foot so I can appreciate the ergonomics....but it just doesn't handle as nice as the 250R. Maybe you could yank the 4-poke outta the 450R and drop in a 250R ??? :)
http://trx250r.org/threads/4899-TRX250R-Motor-in-a-TRX450R-Chassis
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