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Workshop => Suspension and Chassis => Topic started by: Isak on February 26, 2016, 09:16:55 PM
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So I want to start a new build and was wondering what the best chassis is and why? Why is there such a big price difference from Laeger to Lonestar etc...
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What are you doing with the bike? Many good chassis out there. I have roll design. Finish is good, fit was terrible. Very disappointed in the design. I am referring to the lack of detail.
No standoffs for a rear break line on the swing arm
Very little room to mount an intake
No pipe mounts
Little camber adjustment
It is a custom frame and "customizing" is expected. However these were a lot of money new and it seems that a couple more hours on fab would have really nailed it. Other than these little things, the frame is solid and handles well. I don't think I'll ever break it
I hear Laegers have oem quality fit and finish. Cr link sounds like it works very well. Also Laeger (and Roll) have narrow frame offerings. Allows for better handling and more travel.
Not sure of the new Lonestar, but their older ones had fitment uses (like the roll). Heard a few people stating they broke them.
I hear Arens is about unbreakable. Fit and finish I hear is good.
Walsh, I have only heard good things about them, however I don't know much about their offerings
Best regards
- Jason
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Thanks Jason. I was surprised to hear your input on Roll. I was under the assumption that those frames were the Rolls Royce of R chassis'. I plan on mainly woods/mix riding. I guess another question is which frames are readily available? Is Arens going to start making some again? I thought I heard a rumor they were but I called CT Racing the other day and they told me they didn't know anything about it and they've been out of them for a while.
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What are you doing with the bike? Many good chassis out there. I have roll design. Finish is good, fit was terrible. Very disappointed in the design. I am referring to the lack of detail.
No standoffs for a rear break line on the swing arm
Very little room to mount an intake
No pipe mounts
Little camber adjustment
It is a custom frame and "customizing" is expected. However these were a lot of money new and it seems that a couple more hours on fab would have really nailed it. Other than these little things, the frame is solid and handles well. I don't think I'll ever break it
I hear Laegers have oem quality fit and finish. Cr link sounds like it works very well. Also Laeger (and Roll) have narrow frame offerings. Allows for better handling and more travel.
Not sure of the new Lonestar, but their older ones had fitment uses (like the roll). Heard a few people stating they broke them.
I hear Arens is about unbreakable. Fit and finish I hear is good.
Walsh, I have only heard good things about them, however I don't know much about their offerings
Best regards
- Jason
Jason can I add in it's heavy as well
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I have an arens project build I'm working on and fitment and finish is top notch. I heard nothing but good about the durability of arens. My frame is a no link rear and front end geometry is same as stock as is all arens frames. I haven't got it all together to ride yet but Ive always heard nothing but good about handling. Laegers are solid tough frames as well. Not bad in fit and finish Dept but are much much more expensive than arens. As for Roll and Walsh and all others I know what I've heard but never owned or rode them so I can't really comment.
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I'll let ya know on the Walsh when it arrives
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The walsh is a nice chassis. The fit was not all that great. I had to do a fair amount if work to get things right. They are slightly heavy but it does not bother me the least. Laeger have great fit, and are well built but not as rock solid as a roll or walsh. Arens is a great stock replacent. Newer lsr stuff is good also, fit is good, they are relatively light, and cheap compared to the rest.
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He would know prolly had them all lol
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It just seemed that everything I bolted on to the frame I had to mess with. It was not plug and play. I just purchased the frame a fee years back, so it had been built a few times before. I guess I was under the same impression and it would be at an oem level on fitment. I have been slowly improving the frame and adding these details.
And it is heavy, compared to a stock frame. I did not notice the extra weight when riding.
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It just seemed that everything I bolted on to the frame I had to mess with. It was not plug and play. I just purchased the frame a fee years back, so it had been built a few times before. I guess I was under the same impression and it would be at an oem level on fitment. I have been slowly improving the frame and adding these details.
And it is heavy, compared to a stock frame. I did not notice the extra weight when riding.
I didn't when I rode it as well but I did when we loaded it up, it was a nice ride and felt stiffer for sure.
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I have not had a lobo John, but I have had a couple of the rest. I rode a couple lobos this year at glamis. My honest opinion is all the chassis are in the same category as far as performance. Its about budget. I think laeger and lsr probably have the best or easiest fit.
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The fit and finish on my Laeger is much better than the Lonestar I had. The LSR felt way too light, almost like they used tubing with a smaller thickness. You could feel the difference when picking up the bare frames. Parts fitment was better on the Laeger as well
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I have a Roll, JP (old LSR), and a Walsh. All my friends have mostly Laegers and LSR's that I've rode. Customizing is obviously necessary mostly due to fitment but should not be problem if you know somebody or got some fab skills and can be overcome. But in the end, for me it's about ride quality. Nothing made me happier and suited my style than riding my Lobo. As the saying goes, Buy once cry once.
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I have a Roll, JP (old LSR), and a Walsh. All my friends have mostly Laegers and LSR's that I've rode. Customizing is obviously necessary mostly due to fitment but should not be problem if you know somebody or got some fab skills and can be overcome. But in the end, for me it's about ride quality. Nothing made me happier and suited my style than riding my Lobo. As the saying goes, Buy once cry once.
I'm curious in what ways does the lobo ride different. Is it different handling or center of gravity or what?
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I'm curious in what ways does the lobo ride different. Is it different handling or center of gravity or what?
I mash desert terrain at extended high speeds at extended periods of time. This is where the lobo is on top for me. It is the most stable, comfortable and predictable. At such a pace, the Walsh wanders too much and wants to eject me, and the JP just does not feel safe at all. It gives me confidence to ride it too as I feel I can ride it past what my skill will allow, and needless to say, it had saved me countless times when I did actually ran out of skill as I encountered a variety of obstacles with so little time to react.
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I mash desert terrain at extended high speeds at extended periods of time. This is where the lobo is on top for me. It is the most stable, comfortable and predictable. At such a pace, the Walsh wanders too much and wants to eject me, and the JP just does not feel safe at all. It gives me confidence to ride it too as I feel I can ride it past what my skill will allow, and needless to say, it had saved me countless times when I did actually ran out of skill as I encountered a variety of obstacles with so little time to react.
Have you ridden a long travel setup Arens in same conditions. If so what are your thoughts?
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I have a Walsh with CR500 linkage. I only race MX so I can only talk about feeling on the track. I used to race an 89 stock frame with all kinds of aftermarket goodies (Laeger +2 arms, TCS shocks etc). I thought the stock R was an awesome feel on the track. But when I got on my Walsh (with shocks that were not set up for my weight at all) the difference was night and day. I was riding faster everywhere on the track, jumping more, just overall it could be described as "heaven". I immediately after that first race on the Walsh kicked myself for not doing it years ago.
Mike Walsh used to live in CT (before moving to FL) and race the same series I did. Mike would show up on Sunday with bare metal A-arms that he built the night before. It was always a treat to see the new items he created each week back then.
I never had issues with fitment of parts with the Walsh. Yes, it is heavier than some other frames but I would not trade it for the world. :)
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I've had a narrow Laeger and now my std. or wide frame Laeger. The narrow was a no-link and was great for starts and decent sized jumps. The wide frame is a cr500 link and it is night and day difference. The cr link is way smoother in the whoops and breaking bumps not to mention bigger leaps. As far as fitment goes, the only issue I've run into on both chassis was intake. I was lucky enough to find a Laeger no-link airbox so that fixed that whole issue. On the cr link, I wasn't satisfied with the OEM carb to airbox boot so I made my own. The OEM boot and airbox will work, it just didn't fit the way I wanted it to. I'll add that my wide frame has the flip-top subframe and it makes things so much easier to keep clean and service the air filter. I've only had Laeger's chassis' so I can't speak for other builders. Hope this helps.
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Good thread, I think if I sell my banshee . & decide to go full after-market framed 250r it'll be a Walsh. Seems like its got good enough positive feed back for me to purchase.
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You could always find an Outlaw chassis that uses the banshee motor with 250r suspension.
A guy way back used to race one...it was sweet.
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I've thought about going that route, I think LSR would be willing to do that for the banshees still. There's a few guys who use that frame & rave about how good it handles.
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LSR will no longer do that chassis. Lasher19 are you talking about the guy that raced for K&K ATV in the New England Circut?
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^^^^ same guy that had a dyno in his garage in mass? Can't remember his name....
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The guy that ran an Outlaw Banshee for K&K was name Mike K......something. I just tried to search NEATV points they have listed and could not find the years he raced.
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mike klamansky or something like that
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LSR will no longer do that chassis. Lasher19 are you talking about the guy that raced for K&K ATV in the New England Circut?
this is true. I called and asked a few months ago.
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For $7,000 Leagers will still make a frame & pro-trax front end for the shee.
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Mark laeger is retiring. It sounds like the chassis side of the business is a bit up in the air at the moment.
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Mark Laeger is retiring and Scott is going to be ending the frame program there. My larger banshee will be the last laeger banshee to ever be produced.
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I have a laeger built for a cr500. I kno that they changed owners since my frame was built. Other then the complete obnoxious vibrations from the 500, ride quality is amazing in the dunes. Very predictable at high speed. Fit and finish is perfect. The airbox came with the frame I got it all used so I don't know what kind it is but there is no way a stock air box would work with the no link shock. The flip top sub frame is bad ass for service. I have never had any other aftermarket frame but I would buy another laeger in a heartbeat