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Riding Styles => MX => Topic started by: PNWrider on March 30, 2016, 02:06:49 AM
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Just curious what class you guys would run for starting out, our series allows two strokes in the production classes but I'm not sure which one to do. I've hears that some of the faster guys will run open to get more practice but not sure how'd they get in when the series watches for that stuff. Guess I'm just lost for which one to do.
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usually production and open class's are the same riders. That way we can enter both more than one race. I had to run Open A at the nationals on my R, it wasnt allowed in the production class. I ran a 450R in the Production A or 450A class's. Most of my friends run 1 450r in both class's. Open tends to be considered a higher level, since it doesnt have as many rules. But it doesnt mean faster always.
Just pick one and start. you can always change class.
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As Kyle explained already, that was a hard question to answer. It could go either way. Sounds like in Kyle's area, open C tends to be a faster class. In our area, production C tends to be a faster class. At the nationals that I went to, it looked like production C was the faster guys. So I would say, if possible, watch both races first and see which guys are slower. If that isn't possible, sign up for one and find out. If you ended up last, you're last. Not the end of the world either way. I'm last often! LOL
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Thanks for the quick feedback guys. I'll probably sign up for both then drop whichever one I feel least comfortable in. Was just reading some comments on facebook, and some other guy was thinking of bringing his 250r, they were saying it wont keep up with the 4 strokes in the C classes....I hope I get a podium spot to prove them wrong haha. They don't know what Im riding yet
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Here in New England MX series, the 250R is not allowed in the production class, not directly stated it cannot enter the production class, but try to find a 250R that will fall under production class rules, and it will be in a show room, not on the track. So you might want to make sure what the rules on modifying the quad in production class. A simple exhaust change from stock and you are illegal. :)
Good thing about the NEATV series, they break it out be cc size. In other words the 450cc rule applies to both 4 stroke and 2 stroke motors :) Straight from the president's mouth when I asked him.
As for a 2 stroke keeping up? Sure but at different places on the track. Entering corners is different between the 4 strokes and 2 strokes, especially in the C class level. 4 strokes use the engine breaking to really slow down going into the turns because they handle like crap and everyone is lazy and just relies on the torque coming out of the turn. Where us 2 strokes are still coming in hot to rail the turn. I do not know how many times I have bumped into the back of some one coming into the turn when I forgot. I learned to time my corners earlier now. I will not be right on them but be further back so I can still have the speed as they "point and shoot" the turn. The look on their faces when I pull up on the side coming out of the turn and use the extra speed to pull away from them. :)
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Here in New England MX series, the 250R is not allowed in the production class, not directly stated it cannot enter the production class, but try to find a 250R that will fall under production class rules, and it will be in a show room, not on the track. So you might want to make sure what the rules on modifying the quad in production class. A simple exhaust change from stock and you are illegal. :)
Good thing about the NEATV series, they break it out be cc size. In other words the 450cc rule applies to both 4 stroke and 2 stroke motors :) Straight from the president's mouth when I asked him.
As for a 2 stroke keeping up? Sure but at different places on the track. Entering corners is different between the 4 strokes and 2 strokes, especially in the C class level. 4 strokes use the engine breaking to really slow down going into the turns because they handle like crap and everyone is lazy and just relies on the torque coming out of the turn. Where us 2 strokes are still coming in hot to rail the turn. I do not know how many times I have bumped into the back of some one coming into the turn when I forgot. I learned to time my corners earlier now. I will not be right on them but be further back so I can still have the speed as they "point and shoot" the turn. The look on their faces when I pull up on the side coming out of the turn and use the extra speed to pull away from them. :)
I can testify to what Lasher said about the cornering as well, especially in C class. The 4 strokes will dern near come to a complete stop to take a turn, especially if it's a flat turn with no berm. I have just about run into the back of them several times.If there is an available outer lane, go in hot and go around them.
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Yeah I'd agree about the four strokes checking up in the corners they do it in ice racing too. Check the production rules first. I think the AMA usually allows up to a 265cc two stroke in production classes. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I know that's what it was last year at the edge of Summer mx which was AMA sanctioned. Don't worry about what the local guys say on Facebook unless your just using it to fuel your fire. It's definetly not always a bad thing to be with a faster group either. That's only gonna make you faster. If you can, run both. Your already there.
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Since I've only been on a track twice and only one of those times was on my R i'll be trying to make it to practice every weekend before the race. Mainly to get a feel for the bike on the dirt, as it is normally in the sand. Can't thank you guys enough for all the useful information! I have been watching a few videos of C class races in this series and it doesn't look too bad. As far as racing in Production class I contacted the series promoter and he says it is okay to race in production, I think mainly just to get a better turnout, ATV MX doesn't seem to be as big out here in the Pacific northwest because of the dunes.
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Since I've only been on a track twice and only one of those times was on my R i'll be trying to make it to practice every weekend before the race. Mainly to get a feel for the bike on the dirt, as it is normally in the sand. Can't thank you guys enough for all the useful information! I have been watching a few videos of C class races in this series and it doesn't look too bad. As far as racing in Production class I contacted the series promoter and he says it is okay to race in production, I think mainly just to get a better turnout, ATV MX doesn't seem to be as big out here in the Pacific northwest because of the dunes.
I know where I am in there's only one track that allows atv's on it as well that's another big deal with hardly any atv racing out here too.
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Hit the gym or run as much as possible. I haven't raced in a few years but endurance was my personal issue was fast as hell the first lap or two then I would slowly fade. Most mx races are won and lost way before anyone gets to the track.
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Hit the gym or run as much as possible. I haven't raced in a few years but endurance was my personal issue was fast as hell the first lap or two then I would slowly fade. Most mx races are won and lost way before anyone gets to the track.
I'm glad you mentioned this! It's exactly what I've been doing for the past month. I was pretty skinny and already put on 10lbs of muscle from proper diet and hitting the weights and running pretty hard. But there's no replacement for getting out there and getting seat time in, so I'm trying to get a few practices in before round 1 so I can get focused on staying relaxed on the track
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I know where I am in there's only one track that allows atv's on it as well that's another big deal with hardly any atv racing out here too.
They just tried closing down a track around here too quads last week, hope it doesn't happen
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I'm glad you mentioned this! It's exactly what I've been doing for the past month. I was pretty skinny and already put on 10lbs of muscle from proper diet and hitting the weights and running pretty hard. But there's no replacement for getting out there and getting seat time in, so I'm trying to get a few practices in before round 1 so I can get focused on staying relaxed on the track
Another thing for endurance find something that has some vibrations, kicks and pulls it'll help your forearms.
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Jumping jack. Ditch compactor works good
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My best advice is to breathe! You will be surprised at how much you hold your breath on the track. Pick a couple spots on the track where you force yourself to take a breath. And loosen your grip on the handlebars. Let the bike flow under you.
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Another problem is the bike guys do not like quad riders on the track. There's a track that allows quads on practice days but it seems mostly local bikers who ride there & I'd probably get chased out.
This is the Riley Ranch track by doubters here in Oregon.
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Dumb spell check "spinreel"
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There is only 1 track left in my area that doesn't allow quads. The sport of MX has started to die here as the fees are getting too high for anyone so the fight against quads has died as well. 5-6 years ago we had to fight to get our quads on a track they used to get 200 dirt bikes show up at a track day now that track is closed and gone. There is 1 left that won't deal with quads at all. All other tracks are open for anyone basically haha.
It used to be about $20 a class. the licence fees all went up the class fees went up gas is double what it used to be so now for me to hit a practice day it would cost about $60. If I want to race probably more then that and I only get 10 mins to go as hard as I can.
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Well I went and rode a private track today...it was awesome. The new suspension is so much better. Rips pretty good for a 300. You guys are right tho. After ripping around the track for a bit I pulled off with rock hard forearms and winded from not breathing properly. Lots of work to do but the good news is the other guys watching me said I'm probably good enough to ride with the B class riders
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I know some of these were mentioned already but.....Stay conscious of your death grip on the bars, and make sure you breathe. I was really tense and nervous for by first GNCC even though I did locals before. Once I realized how tense I was and loosened up I started picking off guys in my class one by one.
And I know it sounds funny, but jump rope is one of the best endurance workouts you can possibly do
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Reading this was like a flashback in time!! Lasher...How the heck are you?! You and your boy still racing?
Listen to all these crazy cats...they have a few laps under their belts. Seat time, breathe, look ahead, No death grip, position the controls so you aren't searching for them in the turns and jumps...I like to use adjustable levers so they are within easy reach.
Bike setup...race sag, toe, caster, camber. Make sure its all right. There are a lot of videos on youtube and Maultech has a few and I believe GT thunders website had some great info as well.
Need help please ask...we are here to help.
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Hey Joe, my son and I are still racing but we have only hit one or two over the last couple years. Money, life changes, blah blah blah. Hopefully we will hit a couple this season. I know we will be at Southwick next month. They have new owners and returning the track to it's former glory. Especially with John Dowd running the bulldozer. :)
As Joe mentioned, bike setup is key. First, make sure you shocks are set up for your quad, weight and skill level. But I can tell a huge difference between having the chassis set up correctly. I follow this setup until the "toe" section. http://walshrc.wpengine.com/?page_id=1154
For setting toe, I use string to align the front wheels with the back wheels. Similar to how they do alignment on your car. I did a write up years ago about how to use jack stands and string. I will have to see if I can find it.
But there is a big difference when you quad is set up correctly and something is off. It all must work as one and one part can throw the whole thing out of balance.
As Joe mentioned...having controls setup correctly for you can make a difference especially with arm pump and feeling comfortable. Make sure you are in "attack" position when setting them up. In other words, do not set up your controls just sitting on quad but rather in the position you will be in on the track.
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Found the instructions...will post in suspension section.