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Riding Styles => XC => Topic started by: Felten on August 18, 2016, 04:39:05 PM
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Hey all, I am pretty new to the 250R world. Only have had my 1989 TRX250R for a few months now. I am not sure if this is the correct forum category for this question, but if any of you guys ride technical stuff in the woods, what sort of motor / pipe setup would you recommend? My 250R has a stock motor with PT ELIMINATOR pipe and Fat Boy 2 silencer. Please let me know your opinions on this. Thanks, Pete
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Arlan at LED Performance is up in your area, based out of Gresham Or. Arlan has a legacy with woods setups. When 250r ruled the GNCC Arlan's motors were at the top. Barry Hawk and Bill Ballance ran his setups, I think he won 10 pro championships. He is a site sponsor and can be found via google.
Welcome to the site.
Best regards
-Jason
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Arlan at LED Performance is up in your area, based out of Gresham Or. Arlan has a legacy with woods setups. When 250r ruled the GNCC Arlan's motors were at the top. Barry Hawk and Bill Ballance ran his setups, I think he won 10 pro championships. He is a site sponsor and can be found via google.
Welcome to the site.
Best regards
-Jason
Thanks for the info on Arlan. I will get in touch with him. I go riding at the dunes usually once or twice a year, but head to the woods on a regular basis. A woods setup is what I need. Thanks again!
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Thanks for the info on Arlan. I will get in touch with him. I go riding at the dunes usually once or twice a year, but head to the woods on a regular basis. A woods setup is what I need. Thanks again!
I ride my puma in the woods as well as the dunes, same with my old sphinx both are dune motors. One thing you should ask yourself is where do want the power to come on?
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I ride my puma in the woods as well as the dunes, same with my old sphinx both are dune motors. One thing you should ask yourself is where do want the power to come on?
I think the best place to have power when riding in the woods would be at the bottm to mid RPM range. What do you think?
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I think the best place to have power when riding in the woods would be at the bottm to mid RPM range. What do you think?
That's personal preference I like a mid to top motor for myself I kept stuff in the rpms.
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That's personal preference I like a mid to top motor for myself I kept stuff in the rpms.
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You are right, it is definitely personal preference. 2ndmoto recommended that I talk to Arlan at LED Performance about a woods riding setup. I looked on their web site and it seems like they configure woods bikes for low to mid RPM power. I guess that would make sense for XC races. You have some stretches where you can hit top speeds, but for the most part you need hole shot type power when coming out of tight turns, etc.
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You are right, it is definitely personal preference. 2ndmoto recommended that I talk to Arlan at LED Performance about a woods riding setup. I looked on their web site and it seems like they configure woods bikes for low to mid RPM power. I guess that would make sense for XC races. You have some stretches where you can hit top speeds, but for the most part you need hole shot type power when coming out of tight turns, etc.
I've rode with 2ndmoto before and a led bike would be one of those bikes just not what I like.
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I've rode with 2ndmoto before and a led bike would be one of those bikes just not what I like.
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I completely understand what your saying.
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I completely understand what your saying.
Sometimes you can gear them to fit your needs and how the motor are set up.
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Talk to Arlan at LED Performance about a woods riding setup.
Call Arlan. He'll do what you want, where you want it. I wish he was in my area. I'd be there everyday.
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Call Arlan. He'll do what you want, where you want it. I wish he was in my area. I'd be there everyday.
Thanks for that confirmation. I think he is about 3 hours by car North of where I live in Oregon. I am sensing it will be well worth the drive.
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Hey all, I am pretty new to the 250R world. Only have had my 1989 TRX250R for a few months now. I am not sure if this is the correct forum category for this question, but if any of you guys ride technical stuff in the woods, what sort of motor / pipe setup would you recommend? My 250R has a stock motor with PT ELIMINATOR pipe and Fat Boy 2 silencer. Please let me know your opinions on this. Thanks, Pete
Pet, how technical is the riding area. I've ridden in places where I'd be lucky to get into 3rd (miles and miles in 1st and 2nd). ruts and mud. at times so narrow that a stock bike (stock with) barely makes it though. a Paul Turner Type 6 pipe is a low end pipe. the PT Eliminator...not so much
Joe
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You might try to keep an eye out for an oldschool FMF H-14 Don Emler gold series pipe which is what's on my wife's R & I love the bottom & mid it has for woods riding. I was also surprised how well it pulled on the top end at the dune's... I think the ESR trx7 pipe is basically a copy of the H-14 pipe so you could go that route also.
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Pet, how technical is the riding area. I've ridden in places where I'd be lucky to get into 3rd (miles and miles in 1st and 2nd). ruts and mud. at times so narrow that a stock bike (stock with) barely makes it though. a Paul Turner Type 6 pipe is a low end pipe. the PT Eliminator...not so much
Joe
Hi Joe, The technical riding you described is the type of riding I like to do. Normally I ride this sort of terrain on my TRX450R, but at this point really want to focus on 2-Strokes and will probably sell the TRX450R if I can get the 89 TRX250R setup to work just as good or better than the 450R. BTW, I figured the Eliminator pipe was a better option for the Oregon dunes than in the woods. I assume the 39mm Carb will also need to be changed.
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Hi Joe, The technical riding you described is the type of riding I like to do. Normally I ride this sort of terrain on my TRX450R, but at this point really want to focus on 2-Strokes and will probably sell the TRX450R if I can get the 89 TRX250R setup to work just as good or better than the 450R. BTW, I figured the Eliminator pipe was a better option for the Oregon dunes than in the woods. I assume the 39mm Carb will also need to be changed.
A flat slide card would give you a little better low/mid power & throttle response. 12/39 gearing also works well in the woods with a stock cylinder. Have you opened up the top end to see if it's been ported?
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Great low mid pipe is esr trx6 if you can find one. Small bore would be fine woods riding, but I would focus on a low mid port job. Even an mx port, where its good down low, with a strong mid range.
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A flat slide card would give you a little better low/mid power & throttle response. 12/39 gearing also works well in the woods with a stock cylinder. Have you opened up the top end to see if it's been ported?
Thanks for the advice. Honestly I have never done any engine work and wouldn't know what a ported top end looks like. My 89 TRX250R has a Pro Design Cool Head, but I don't know what model dome it has.
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Thanks for the advice. Honestly I have never done any engine work and wouldn't know what a ported top end looks like. My 89 TRX250R has a Pro Design Cool Head, but I don't know what model dome it has.
To find out you just pop the dome out of the shell but you may need a head gasket depending on how it's setup.
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To find out you just pop the dome out of the shell but you may need a head gasket depending on how it's setup.
Thanks... That makes sense. I was on the Pro Design web site and it looks like they have quite a few domes in different millimeters. I really have no idea what the different sizes do for power, etc. Taking a stab in the dark I would guess the lesser the millimeter the more power produced?
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Thanks... That makes sense. I was on the Pro Design web site and it looks like they have quite a few domes in different millimeters. I really have no idea what the different sizes do for power, etc. Taking a stab in the dark I would guess the lesser the millimeter the more power produced?
Lower dome cc= more compression, higher cc= less... If you pull the carb & reed cage off anytime soon, take a good picture of the intake opening & post it & we could tell you if it's been worked on or if it's a virgin.
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Lower dome cc= more compression, higher cc= less... If you pull the carb & reed cage off anytime soon, take a good picture of the intake opening & post it & we could tell you if it's been worked on or if it's a virgin.
Thanks Broken1! I appreciate that and will try to take a pic sometime soon. It's unfortunate, but I don't know much about this 89 at all. The guy I bought it from purchased it from the original owner and he pretty much bought it for resale. The only thing he could say was that the bike was all stock, even though it has aftermarket silencer, pipe, head, reed cage, carb and air filter.