TRX250R.ORG
General => Lounge => Topic started by: Langbolt on September 29, 2016, 07:59:26 AM
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Coming in 2017
http://www.pantheramotorsports.com/panthera-hybrid
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sweeeeet.
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about $4,600 US
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I'm following this thread
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Very nice! And well priced. :eagerness:
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who will be the first to pre-order??
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There are so many questions that need to be answered......Is it a complete running motor ? Or pieces ? And what is and isn't included ? What Transmission is used ? I can't see them using the 250R Trans as Parts are Discontinued....but maybe a 450R trans with parts readily available....and it says BOLT into a 450R ? Well what if you want it for a (insert aftermarket chassis here) 250R ? Will it still work ?
I'm sure they'll get enough comments and suggestions to make this the BIG BROTHER the 250R was always missing!
:)
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:jumprope:OH MY FREAKING GOD!!!
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There is a guy in Australia that is putting a cr500 topend on a 450 bottom end. He said it was close to matching up. (Of course a lot of machine work) So if the cases were designed for that top end, I bet that is what they are using.
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So is this a 250r based engine? Or did they machine new cases with a counter balancer? Becuase other wise, I dont see the point. Its basically 250r with a saber cylinder.
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No I believe it's a cr500 based motor
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See if it is cr500 based. That means machined cases, machined counter balance ect. And all this for 4500? Hard to believe.
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See if it is cr500 based. That means machined cases, machined counter balance ect. And all this for 4500? Hard to believe.
Yup curious myself to see
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I'm thinking the $4600 isn't gonna be electric start either
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I'm thinking the $4600 isn't gonna be electric start either
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And it probably won't be aluminum cases either look at how cheap Esr cases are to buy
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i'm wondering if it's gonna be 450R based to utilize the transmission and the mounting points....also maybe keep the Forward Kicker, clutch....etc too! Why reinvent the wheel.....then make the crankcase sealed to work for a 2-stroke and incorporate a larger counterbalancer for the 500cc Piston.....there was a guy in Australia trying this method....I wonder if he was successful ? Sure will be interesting to see what PANTHERA comes up with.
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So is this a 250r based engine? Or did they machine new cases with a counter balancer? Becuase other wise, I dont see the point. Its basically 250r with a saber cylinder.
Check out their website - They make everything from scratch and out of BILLETT :)
http://www.pantheramotorsports.com/
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Definitely curious to see how it turns out but I think the $4600 range is definitely doable
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TRX450 bottom end, cr500 crank, and cr500 top end. I bet it is the same concept but with billet cases.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/5e7e8ee0a2d6cec54c997855f125fc96.jpg)(http://[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/2d9089fdc62b4c2a22a4fb6e8b1c23f2.jpg)
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i assume, you need a cr500 to remove components from. I guess the transmission for one.
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TRX450 bottom end, cr500 crank, and cr500 top end. I bet it is the same concept but with billet cases.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/5e7e8ee0a2d6cec54c997855f125fc96.jpg)(http://[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/2d9089fdc62b4c2a22a4fb6e8b1c23f2.jpg)
Definitely explains how it's bolt in kit for the trx450
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Looks like a CPI Liger cylinder on billet cases, maybe 450r trans?
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Looks like a CPI Liger cylinder on billet cases, maybe 450r trans?
They show a liger but I'd be a little reserved myself especially with Canada if a company goes under your sol as well as what are the port timing ectopic. I've seen a liger with busted cases and pull a 1/2" steel plates up.
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i dont understand some of these shops that keep fooling around with stone age stuff. if you have the equipment and ability, why not design something new and fresh that actually has some power
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200k cnc that can make most anything you could dream of and theyre using it for replicating crankcases that date back to the early 80's. im completely dumfounded by this way of thinking
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TRX450 bottom end, cr500 crank, and cr500 top end. I bet it is the same concept but with billet cases.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/5e7e8ee0a2d6cec54c997855f125fc96.jpg)(http://[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/2d9089fdc62b4c2a22a4fb6e8b1c23f2.jpg)
That looks Totally do able - It looks like it would be easier than modifying the 250R cases.....and it will BOLT right into the 450R......But how much different are the mounting points from the 250R ?? :D
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200k cnc that can make most anything you could dream of and theyre using it for replicating crankcases that date back to the early 80's. im completely dumfounded by this way of thinking
Those cases are from 2004-2005.....so they're utilizing the parts that are readily available....anyone can get the parts required to build it....just need the Billet cases, Crank & Counterbalancer.....It's a good way of thinking :) Keep costs down.
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Those cases are from 2004-2005.....so they're utilizing the parts that are readily available....anyone can get the parts required to build it....just need the Billet cases, Crank & Counterbalancer.....It's a good way of thinking :) Keep costs down.
The best question is for how long with the 450 no longer being available.
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The best question is for how long with the 450 no longer being available.
The 450R parts will be around for a long time.....Since HONDA stopped production in 2015....they will have OEM Parts available for 15 years....so we're good till 2030!
Besides.....the amount of used ones out there is enough to keep these going too!
Lots of 450R guys with blown motors....rollers & such....much easier to find than 250R Transmission parts.
I think this will be a good venture.....heck Panthera may even eventually start to make all the parts themselves if HONDA discontinues them......This will be a great venture I'm sure.
Can't wait to see it in the pages of DIRTWHEELS.......tired of just seeing Side by Side's ..... :)
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The 450R parts will be around for a long time.....Since HONDA stopped production in 2015....they will have OEM Parts available for 15 years....so we're good till 2030!
Besides.....the amount of used ones out there is enough to keep these going too!
Lots of 450R guys with blown motors....rollers & such....much easier to find than 250R Transmission parts.
I think this will be a good venture.....heck Panthera may even eventually start to make all the parts themselves if HONDA discontinues them......This will be a great venture I'm sure.
Can't wait to see it in the pages of DIRTWHEELS.......tired of just seeing Side by Side's ..... :)
Which transmission are they using the 04/05? 06-on that had issues under stock power and would blow gears?
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The 450R parts will be around for a long time.....Since HONDA stopped production in 2015....they will have OEM Parts available for 15 years....so we're good till 2030!
Besides.....the amount of used ones out there is enough to keep these going too!
Lots of 450R guys with blown motors....rollers & such....much easier to find than 250R Transmission parts.
I think this will be a good venture.....heck Panthera may even eventually start to make all the parts themselves if HONDA discontinues them......This will be a great venture I'm sure.
Can't wait to see it in the pages of DIRTWHEELS.......tired of just seeing Side by Side's ..... :)
One other thing I'd bet it's their liger cases with the mounting points moved that being the case you have the cr500 transmission.
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Only time will tell....it's in the ENGINEERING stages....so hopefully they will release some info soon on which way they're going.....I'm sure they've done their homework.....Look at how well they're CR500 products turned out! :)
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it cant be this easy.....can it? lol
TRX450 bottom end, cr500 crank, and cr500 top end. I bet it is the same concept but with billet cases.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/5e7e8ee0a2d6cec54c997855f125fc96.jpg)(http://[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160929/2d9089fdc62b4c2a22a4fb6e8b1c23f2.jpg)
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I assume the intake setup would work correctly without having to make frame modifications around the shock mount like is required for the 250r in 450r build.
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Another question I have is how do they keep this engine cool? No provisions for a fan with the cr500 ignition. That's probably the biggest thing holding the 250r back right now.
They'll never sell enough of these to ever put a serious dent in the amount of 450r OEM parts available
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Run a battery for the fan. Use a thermostat switch and with lithium batteries they have now you would be able to run days on one charge
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The 450's will be around for a long time. Even from 06 to 15 is a lot longer than the 86 to 89. That is what people will be racing for years to come. Look how many years they raced the R after production.
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If you look at their website you will see their electric start option which I might add is pretty sweet if you ask me. It appeases they use a CR 450x flywheel I didn't notice the stator but if it's the 450x stator they have lighting provision so I assume it could generate power and you would have a battery for starter. You could power a cooling fan
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Those cases are from 2004-2005.....so they're utilizing the parts that are readily available....anyone can get the parts required to build it....just need the Billet cases, Crank & Counterbalancer.....It's a good way of thinking :) Keep costs down.
I was referring to the cr500 cases. if that's what they want to spend their time making, then so be it. its all cool. hek maybe theres still a market for those parts. now put me in front of that cnc machine and ill be going in complete different direction :D
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I was referring to the cr500 cases. if that's what they want to spend their time making, then so be it. its all cool. hek maybe theres still a market for those parts. now put me in front of that cnc machine and ill be going in complete different direction :D
Oh, OK....yeah they're trying to go in a direction that makes the most sense and can utilize the most available parts.....250R & CR500 parts are scarce.....but 450R parts are everywhere....and cheap!!! Oh if I had access to a CNC or even a 3-D Printer I'd have started this years ago!!! For myself I went the easier route and put the trx250R motor in the 450R and had to modify the frame....next step is to build the frame from scratch that uses both the 250R motor & 450R parts!!! :)
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That looks Totally do able - It looks like it would be easier than modifying the 250R cases.....and it will BOLT right into the 450R......But how much different are the mounting points from the 250R ?? :D
Why do those cases look just like 250R cases? I don't own a 450R but I though the 450R was a 4 stroke
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Why do those cases look just like 250R cases? I don't own a 450R but I though the 450R was a 4 stroke
The ones that [MENTION=137]The_Steve_Man[/MENTION] posted are 250R cases with a CR500 Cylinder......Panthera is designing cases that match the 450R cases and have a closed crankcase to allow a 2-stroke top end.....which will be a CR500 Cylinder.....This way the mounting points of the cases are 450R and will bolt in to a 450R chassis. They want to utilize as many 450R components as possible to keep costs down....I think it will be a great venture for them.....SUMMER of 2017 will be here soon enough!!! :)
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The pictures I posted are 450 cases that have been welded and machined. It has a cr500 crank.
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TNTION]Panthera is designing cases that match the 450R cases and have a closed crankcase to allow a 2-stroke top end.....which will be a CR500 Cylinder.....This way the mounting points of the cases are 450R and will bolt in to a 450R chassis. They want to utilize as many 450R components as possible to keep costs down.
^^ Which is ingenious. I hope it works out.
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Looks like they're getting it ready for testing!!! :D
Can't wait to see her go!!! Should be AWESOME!!! :D
https://www.facebook.com/pantheramotorsports/photos/a.180366095640599.1073741829.160873624256513/477721825905023/?type=3
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this is exciting.
John
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yea it is
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This monster is now reality. Alive and well. There is a bunch of info and vids on Panthera Motorsports Facebook page. Awesome.
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That is awesome!
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I think the power valve is a little overkill when you're making 102 hp lol
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not that i was going to purchase one but its kind of disappointing seeing that the release date was 2017. we are well into 2018 and i know of only one true R enthusiast that has committed to purchasing one of these monster motors. He has yet to receive his motor. im sure they will start pumping out products as time goes one.
just a quick run down
$6,080.00 kick or electric start
$6,400.00 kick and electric.
%50 down
exhaust $500
cases are of a new casting.
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not that i was going to purchase one but its kind of disappointing seeing that the release date was 2017. we are well into 2018 and i know of only one true R enthusiast that has committed to purchasing one of these monster motors. He has yet to receive his motor. im sure they will start pumping out products as time goes one.
just a quick run down
$6,080.00 kick or electric start
$6,400.00 kick and electric.
%50 down
exhaust $500
cases are of a new casting.
that is not cheap. I guess all the customers are paying the NRE.
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Looks like it's working out. Have you tried to have a complete, large bore engine built ? For 102 HP, I'd say it's reasonable.
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I agree. If you compare building a 400cc + 250R or compare rebuilding a 450 4 stroke that has grenaded and you want some good horsepower out of it, $6400 is not that bad for 102 hp. The question is, does anybody want or need 102hp?
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I agree. If you compare building a 400cc + 250R or compare rebuilding a 450 4 stroke that has grenaded and you want some good horsepower out of it, $6400 is not that bad for 102 hp. The question is, does anybody want or need 102hp?
Want? Hell yes! Need? No way haha