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Workshop => Suspension and Chassis => Topic started by: evaneyeball on March 28, 2020, 03:38:55 AM
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what paddle tires do you like the best and reccomend. im in the market for some new paddles and i like the haulers best but am leaning twords the 8 or 9 paddle but i cant find any site or thread that says the ups and downs to more or less paddles. and what would a 10 paddle extreme hauler do on a 250r with a pretty much stock bore and a race gas dome and a fmf pipe and 38mm carb and a 150lbs rider doing mainly tree shots, hill climbs and sand trails. i already have front mowhawks.
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oh and i hate side hilling
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So this is one of those questions that can start a debate that will last forever! You can over paddle an R and you can under paddle your R. A trx250r has a 2 stroke engine and a 2 stroke engine makes power with rpm. If you have too many paddles and the engine can't make rpm you will not be able to climb anything. Rider weight, skill, and gearing play a role in this as well. A tire that works for you won't necessarily work for me.
Another thing to consider is the cylinder porting. What is the cylinder ported for? If it's a high rpm porting and you have 10 paddle 22's on your R you will not be able to utilize the power curve of a high rpm screamer.
Now I have seen people run too many paddles without any issue because they knew how to manipulate their machine. Does that mean everyone can? No!
I think for a mildly ported cylinder, regardless of fuel octane, a rider your size, and the type of riding you do you can safely run a 7-8 paddle hauler. I would not run anything other than a 20 inch tall tire on your R. My boys are both decent riders, 12&13 years old, 130-155 lbs. They have mildly ported cylinders with fmf pipes, 38mm carbs, and 92 octane fuel. They both run 20x10x8 8 paddle haulers.
Loren
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thanks ill go with 8 paddles then. i was feeling a little under paddles with 8 but the paddles themselves are only about 3/4 of an inch tall
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What gearing are you using? 13/38?
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i think its stock but let me check that. the front sprocket is the wrong sprocket so im getting a new one and the old rear one is bent slightly but still works
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it is 13/38 gearing but like i said i need to get all new ones. and i found on my search a set of 10 paddles extremes that are pretty much brand new for 200 and just if anyone wants them or if you think i would be able to run them probably not and theyre on honda bolt pattern rims 20x10x10
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I ran 8 paddle haulers on my 265 kit. That is when I was a little closer to your riding weight. They preformed well. Moving to larger displacement motors I went to a 9 paddle.
I do remember then having clearance issues on tree shots. The sand can get really soft and deep. The power was there, but I would get high centered at the bearing carrier. Running taller side walls would help out if tree shots are your thing. Also running a wider bike creates some challenges in tree shots, they tend to get pulled in and out of the ruts. Requires a bit more rider input to keep them tracking correctly
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I have 2 mostly stock R's with oem cylinders & run 20x10x10 8 paddle haulers, 20x10x10 10 paddle edges & 20x11x10 sand skate 2's & like them all. Also have a set of 21x12x10 stagger cut padla brats but haven't tried them out yet.
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so you run 20x10x10 10 paddle edges with no problem. cause im looking at a really cheap pair of 20x10x10 10 paddle extreme haulers
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Skat trak edges are v paddles like sand skates but there not as good as sand skates so with the edges it takes more paddles to get the job done. The 10 paddle edges are comparable to the standard 8 paddle haulers which are similar to a sand skate 2... For what your wanting an 8 or 9 paddle standard hauler should work well. 10 paddle extreme's might be a bit much but you could gear for it.
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thanks i did not know that i did look at the skat trak website and it they made it seem like it was just a hauler with a v instead of just a straight paddle and worked the same
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Generally v paddles are for play riding & throwing it around & straight paddles are for maximum forward traction.
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so what gearing should i do because i need new a new front and back sprocket
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Steel sprockets and a good chain, "O" ring or "X" ring, but not cheap. I run DID chains on everything I own, I have never had one fail. Keep it adjusted and lubed, and it will never let you down. I run them on my Italian crap too, and you don't want case damage on anything. I like master-link style for off road, and always carry a spare master link, and rivet type on my street stuff. Spend your money on good chain guides, followers, and rollers, and they will pay for themselves, Maybe a sprocket guard if you have already bent what you have. I'm not shy, I run one, along with a rotor guard.
desertR
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Stock 13/39 gearing would be a good start & like mentioned go with steel sprockets. I like Sunstar sprockets but recently got a PBI front & it seems to be holding up as good as the Sunstar. For chains I also use DID but would recommend the x-ring over o-ring for less drag
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What these guys are saying about DID X-Ring and steel sprockets is 100% spot-on. I'd consider JT steel sprockets too.
For tires, it's preference. I always preferred more side-wall of a 22x11-8 (or now-a-days more like 21x11-8) and with the higher rollout compensated by dropping about a tooth in the front (so 12-39 on a stock cyl motor) - which gets you back to about the same overall final ratio that 13-39 would have with a smaller rollout 20x10-10.
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12 tooth front wears really fast. I prefer 13/41 or even 42 if you need lower gearing.
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I ran 13/42 on my 310 for years with 21-12-8 9 paddle extremes. I had trouble with those paddles robbing power until I had Pete fix everything that whatshisnuts screwed up on my engine. After that my paddle/gearing/engine combo was perfect! Keep in mind that I am a very manly man at 285lbs lol
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so im think'in 13/41 gearing with some 8 paddle extremes and a 150lbs idiot. do yall agree on this or if i should change it and get diffrent gearing and/or paddles
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No.... If you are using a 20" tall tire and have 8 paddles per tire stick with stock gearing
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Swingarm length is also a factor in traction. I dune at St. Anthony and keeping the front end down on choke cherry can be a challenge. The last few trips I have run 7 paddle edges and I like them. I probably could use a +2 swingarm.
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i run a stock swing arm but i need to get a better hole drill then i will make my own +2. and i do ride winchester and planning to go to st. anthonys soon after this carona crap