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General => Pics and Vids => Topic started by: croat1 on December 10, 2020, 09:42:52 AM
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A buddies take out engine score a couple years ago. It’s still unbelievable how many 85 take out engines are out there.
Joe
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thats amazing. I bet there are still more out there. What did the dealers do with all the rollers?
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thats amazing. I bet there are still more out there. What did the dealers do with all the rollers?
From what I understand the frames were cut up.
Joe
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In the Seattle metro area, they were all sent back to the distribution hub and cut up. That was cheaper then sending them back to Japan. We got a call and took a truck to pick up motors, we got somewhere in the 30/40 units. Honda wanted to be sure they didn't hit EBay or Craigslist, but that was a long time ago, and I've seen plenty of them for sale, but they have been sitting for 30+ years in somebodies basement.
I had a 98 Honda Accord coupe with leather for training purposes, and when we were done with it, Honda sent a wrecker to pick it up. Honda had signed agreements with wrecking yards that they would go straight to the crusher, with no parts sold off them.This car didn't even have a complete VIN number on it. No titles, no paperwork.
desertR
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In the Seattle metro area, they were all sent back to the distribution hub and cut up. That was cheaper then sending them back to Japan. We got a call and took a truck to pick up motors, we got somewhere in the 30/40 units. Honda wanted to be sure they didn't hit EBay or Craigslist, but that was a long time ago, and I've seen plenty of them for sale, but they have been sitting for 30+ years in somebodies basement.
I had a 98 Honda Accord coupe with leather for training purposes, and when we were done with it, Honda sent a wrecker to pick it up. Honda had signed agreements with wrecking yards that they would go straight to the crusher, with no parts sold off them.This car didn't even have a complete VIN number on it. No titles, no paperwork.
desertR
You picked up 30/40 R engines from a Honda distribution hub to keep them from being sold on ebay or craigslist? We're these sitting in the distribution hub for awhile because neither ebay or Craigslist existed back in 1987 when Honda turned all their trikes into nothing more than take out engines
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Well, of course Craigslist and Ebay didn't exist back then, but I meant sales avenues like that. Like the listings in the paper, or in the back of Dirt Bike, or Dirt Wheels, and other magazines of the time.
desertR
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What did you do with all of them?
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Some were given away, most were cut/sectioned into display projects by High School students, then after grading, either taken home, left as examples, or disposed of. This took several years. Some of the carbs were used for other things (legends race car) and many used for smaller cut away's by students. I had 3 '86' 350X motors that I kept, finally selling one, keeping one, and I don't remember exactly what happened to the third. I have one in my 'R' that is close to finished, with all the pieces/smaller assemblies done. Those motors sat in my garage for at least 15 years, before I decided to do something with them.
desertR
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“Spares” not mine
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Looks to be (left to right) 85 atc, 86 atc, Service Honda 88/89, 85 atc
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thats odd. you would think the take outs would be 86s as the 85s should have all been sold. It was 1988 when the ban went into effect. In a good faith effort, I suppose it was mid 1987 when honda decided to start cutting up existing models in dealerships? Anyone know when Honda put out the word to dealers?
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thats odd. you would think the take outs would be 86s as the 85s should have all been sold. It was 1988 when the ban went into effect. In a good faith effort, I suppose it was mid 1987 when honda decided to start cutting up existing models in dealerships? Anyone know when Honda put out the word to dealers?
Yes very odd as most of the take outs were 85 atc250R engines. I’ve only seen a few 86 atc250R “take outs”. I recently seen a post (on a social media page) that brings up some interesting things. It has spiked my curiousity more now than ever.
Joe
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Somewhere I have a VHS tape with an episode of 20/20 or 60 minutes (don't remember which one it was) that was aired back in the late 80's about the demise of 3-wheeler's. For whatever reason Honda got a target on their back & they took the brunt of it all.
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Somewhere I have a VHS tape with an episode of 20/20 or 60 minutes (don't remember which one it was) that was aired back in the late 80's about the demise of 3-wheeler's. For whatever reason Honda got a target on their back & they took the brunt of it all.
they both did and both on youtube. i saw the 60 minutes one live on tv when it aired... Im that many years old!
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Somewhere I have a VHS tape with an episode of 20/20 or 60 minutes (don't remember which one it was) that was aired back in the late 80's about the demise of 3-wheeler's. For whatever reason Honda got a target on their back & they took the brunt of it all.
they both did and both on youtube. i saw the 60 minutes one live on tv when it aired... Im that many years old!
I too seen it on TV when it aired
Joe
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I didn't actually see it when it aired but my friends dad recorded it & gave a copy to my dad so I saw it shortly after it came out. 2 months after I turned 12 my dad bought me an 85 350X in late 1987 from the same guy who than turned around & bought his son a brand new 88 250R.
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3 more. These were found in Texas.
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Only one I’ve seen with the rear mount.
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86 on the stand. 85’s on the floor
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Clutch cable cut. Stator wires cut. Information sticker on the stator cover.
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Love that information sticker. Reminds me of a set of complete bottom end cases I bought from Pete K years ago.
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Love that information sticker. Reminds me of a set of complete bottom end cases I bought from Pete K years ago.
that name sounds fmailiar, but I can't place it. kapellas?
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Love that information sticker. Reminds me of a set of complete bottom end cases I bought from Pete K years ago.
that name sounds fmailiar, but I can't place it. kapellas?
Yes Pete Kapellas.
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Found in Pennsylvania
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Congrats Joe. Nice find.
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Cool
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thats odd. you would think the take outs would be 86s as the 85s should have all been sold. It was 1988 when the ban went into effect. In a good faith effort, I suppose it was mid 1987 when honda decided to start cutting up existing models in dealerships? Anyone know when Honda put out the word to dealers?
Yes very odd as most of the take outs were 85 atc250R engines. I’ve only seen a few 86 atc250R “take outs”. I recently seen a post (on a social media page) that brings up some interesting things. It has spiked my curiousity more now than ever.
Joe
Joseph Ivanac This is where I stand on this...I worked for Honda from 1981-1995.....I was in the Parts division of Honda.....During that time you could never order a complete engine that I know of...You always had to order the Parts....left case right case etc......I was at Honda during the consent decree period and personally saw them cutting up ATC frames at the Meico warehouse in Carson California....At that time Honda stripped all of the electricals, exhaust suspension parts, wheels tires, seats , tanks, fenders and returned everything but the wheels/tires to stock....Thats because the tires were already mounted on the wheels....The wheels/tires were loaded onto pallets and sold to the dealers for $50 dollars a pallet...A lot of people don't know this but some of their ATC's probably have 87 parts on them as if replacement parts were bought from the dealer they were probably 87 parts.....Anyways....All the motors from those 87's were pulled and given to the dealers if the dealer filed a special request .Those motors included everything from a 200x 350x 250r 250e motor...Any 87 model ATC motor was available .These motors were supposed to go to Automotive classes in High Schools or Colleges but a lot of dealers kept them for themselves and sold them....Again let me state....During the time I was employed by Honda, ANY warranty work involving engine repair was determined by the mechanic who then had the Parts manager order new parts. A warranty claim was filled out and the defective parts returned. Actually this was for any defective part on the motorcycle or ATV not just the engine...And again parts were ordered to fix the defective engine not a complete motor...So I have no idea how someone could have a "brand new" take out 1985 motor when Honda didn't operate that way...IMO that person got taken by someone claiming it was a take out motor....But that's my opinion.....So I don't mean to be harsh but you can take my word as someone that was there and worked for Honda....Or listen to someone that didn't work for Honda and probably was to young to know much at the time this all happened...
^^^a response to me. I’m Joseph
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kind of a defensive repsonse... it's theoretically possible that take out engines weren't always aquired the same way as this former Honda employee saw.
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I bought about 10 complete 1985 ATC 250R (Black engines) from Apache Honda located here in Phoenix Arizona over approximately a years time. They did not have carburetors, but they were fully assembled but had the plugs cut off on the wires that came from the stator. I think that I gave about $1200 to $1500 each.
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$$$. Seen these over the last few years
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Another one
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Poor girl wasn’t stored properly but it sold.
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I wonder how useful sensitive parts like teh crankshaft are once it's been through a school curriculum.
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As useful as my autographed Spice Girls album
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I wonder how useful sensitive parts like teh crankshaft are once it's been through a school curriculum.
I’ve never seen one that’s had any signs of being taken apart and re assembled.
Joe
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Stickers that were on the stator cover,
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On another note, it's sad to see that the end of the era that allowed these engines and bikes has come, and we're left to salvaging the crumbs..
The people that alarm us about climate, etc that require us to give up creating and owning are our conquerors, not our caregivers.
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Listed on EBay
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Needs a better storage rack and more engine stands. 3 came from Texas. 3 came from Michigan. 1 came from Illinois. 1 came from Indiana. 1 came from Pennsylvania. 1 came from right here in Ohio.
I had 2 others that are long gone. They came from Arizona and Illinois.
Seen guys state that these were $800 a few years ago. Those few have no clue (then again they never owned one). If you can find one 4k or less I’d think that’s a steal considering used and abused stock cylinder engines are $2k plus.
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They seem to be good investments. I wish I'd bought an 86 that came my way a bunch of years ago. I may still pick one up as a reminder of how greatness can be pruned by lesser minds.
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They seem to be good investments. I wish I'd bought an 86 that came my way a bunch of years ago. I may still pick one up as a reminder of how greatness can be pruned by lesser minds.
My issue of a mild case of a hoarding problem 🤷
Initially I never looked at it as an investment. I couldn’t stand the fact that parts were discontinued…at least that’s what I tell my self. Now it will help my 401R plan lol. I’d say they are worth more parted out.
Joe
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As I mentioned 4k for a take out today in 2024 I’d say is a good price. Now parted what are parts worth to someone. 2014 through 2016 was a hell of a time for engines being parted. Check out these parts
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Those prices are crazy
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Those prices are crazy
Cheap!! To go back in time…..lots of engines and complete aftermarket R’s were parted 2014-2016.
Joe
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Take out cases. 😳 $$$$$
Seen this the other day
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I think 10-20 years ago we speculated what prices would be like. Myself, I thought htey would do well, but I didn't think it would be quite this high. Even in 2020 when inflation and scarcity beecame a topic, I thought it was more of a mania, and would settle down. It hasn't yet I guess.
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On EBay right now. $$$ 😮