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Workshop => Suspension and Chassis => Topic started by: The norm on February 04, 2021, 10:52:41 AM
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Howdy fellas, I'm toying with the idea of finally getting a good set of front shocks. As I get older I seem to feel the bumps and ruts for days after riding lol. I currently have a set of tuned 450R fronts and a pimped out oem rear shock. The rear was built by a local suspension legend and is great.
My front end set up is +3+1 standard travel A-Arms. I want to try to find a front set of shocks for under $2,000. These will be only used on a dune R and must be plush.
So my question to you fellas is, what are some of the best shocks for under 2k? Do you have any personal experience with them? If so please give me your opinion.
I know I can call a suspension company and ask, but I want the end users opinion first.
Thanks Loren
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Im happy with my peps. I brought a set with me the 1st time I came out to visit you all. for $2k you can surely buy a very good set of shocks. I have yet to hear anything bad about Axis. Consider a brand that a local suspension guy can work on also. Sending shocks out for rebuilds and valving gets old real fast
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My local suspension guru said he can work on any shock as long as he can get parts. So no worries in that area. One other question I have is piggybacking or remote reservoirs? Which is better? I see PEP on Ebay from 1k-2k and I am very sure any model of PEP is better than what I have.
Loren
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id buy some used shocks and get them redone by someone that really knows 250rs. I would recommend SF, but he had a stroke or something I dont know. Just from FB saw he was in hospital then posting vids of him barely getting around the house, though much improved on each successive video posted.
im under the impression when you buy new from PEP, Elka, or whomever, its just a generic build. A good shock guy can better set up the valving, spring pre loads, and so forth.
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Good description of PEP shocks
http://www.sfracingonline.com/pep/4537027440
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Hey Loren - personally if you're spending that much coin, I'd recommend getting LT front A-Arms to have more shock length. Food for thought.
I will watch FB and send you anything that pops up that you might like. You'll want the right length eye-to-eye but also the shaft length needs to be correct (can change after the fact if you buy used, but can be cost prohibitive).
Personally I would run Axis or PB1's from PEP (Andy Maul put a lot of good videos & writeups on this forum & YouTube about different shocks and a lot of this resonates with these 2 models). Other PEP's were good (are good) but used a lot of Works parts. Air shocks (Fox Evol & Axis Pro Air) intrigue me a lot but I do not have much direct experience with them. But again it comes down to them being setup for you.
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I'm open to a LT setup, but I would have to definitely get used shocks to offset the cost of the arms.
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Careful on buying used shocks. Many times the cost of rebuild and revalve can surpass or come very near to the cost of new. Ive been screwed on what I thought was a great deal. I got the quote for rebuild and revalve and was unfortunately.... Shocked 🤣😭
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That is shocking Josh!
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From my understanding the only real benefit to remote resi's is they run a little cooler & offer a little more consistent performance because of lower operating temps but it really only makes a difference when your hammering out laps on a track & even than it would be hard to notice unless you were a seasoned pro. I have old Works shocks on my R & I've always loved the rear but the fronts leave much to be desired.
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Right now the R shop has a set of axis you can rebuild you may need to shorten them.he wants $400 with remote rezi.These shocks were previously mine they were bought to be rebuilt,I sold them and he recently bought a lot of that guys parts.You could be all in with the rebuild around $700
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You’ll also need new upper spacers for the top mount,they run $70 from Penske/axis
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Remote resiviours allow for a rubber piece to be used as a separator to keep the oil/gas from air-rating under heavy use. they use nitrogen because it's more stable then air when heated. Better for MX track use where they heat up during a moto.
desertR
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That's crazy money for a play setup. Going from stock to Works (standard frame +2+1 lonestar) was a bigger difference than going from Works to Axis (roll narrow frame +4+1). I don't remember what works is calling themselves these days, but you can't beat them for the price.
I will say suspension upgrades make the riding experience so much more enjoyable.
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Talk to Jed at roll design. They order elkas built to Doug Roll’s specs. New generation elkas are aluminum bodies. Lighter than air shocks depending on the springs. Jed will Usually give a rider discount that is a very significant savings.
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Right now the R shop has a set of axis you can rebuild you may need to shorten them.he wants $400 with remote rezi.These shocks were previously mine they were bought to be rebuilt,I sold them and he recently bought a lot of that guys parts.You could be all in with the rebuild around $700
Pretty good deal there.
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custom axis are the best i have ran. HLS were pretty good too, unfortunately Lazarus and HLS are no longer.
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To answer your question about piggy backs vs remotes. I prefer the look of the piggybacks and also the simplicity of not having to figure out how to mount the rezzies to the frame The performance differences are not that noticeable.
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Yeah I did, I believe Joe was just posting that link to give me some information on PEP suspension.
Action69 sent me a link to an Ebay add for a complete set of Axis shocks with remote reservoirs. I ended up getting the set for $600 +shipping. They are for a 450R, but that isn't an issue as I will be sending them to Jocaga suspension for rebuild and modification. I am very excited to get these on my R so I can float down the dunes! Thanks everyone for the help!
Loren
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Yeah I did, I believe Joe was just posting that link to give me some information on PEP suspension.
Action69 sent me a link to an Ebay add for a complete set of Axis shocks with remote reservoirs. I ended up getting the set for $600 +shipping. They are for a 450R, but that isn't an issue as I will be sending them to Jocaga suspension for rebuild and modification. I am very excited to get these on my R so I can float down the dunes! Thanks everyone for the help!
Loren
Nice Loren! One thing I have noticed is that I almost prefer shocks that are "setup" for riders 40-50lbs less than my current rate. For example, I had the Laeger setup for my weight and the Spare setup for 200lb rider. I have had the ones on the Laeger rebuilt/revalved 2x (DeRisi first, then Schmidty - both times have moved in the right direction, but I just can't get them soft enough to my liking when the dunes are really ripped up). I love the ones on the spare - super plush, as expected. I can get them to bottom out a bit easier but also don't really jump these bikes. Anyways food for thought.
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Yeah definitely something to think about! I have been working hard to lose weight anyway and am 15 pounds away from my target of 265. So maybe I will have him set them up for 240-250?
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Ryan, I have done the same thing. Spent money on revalves and re-Springs Multiple times and no matter what the choppy tire track shit in the dunes still hurts. Best I’ve ever felt on the chop was my uncles 450 with Tiexeira arms and Fox generation 2 air Shox They had been custom valved by Fox.
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Yeah definitely something to think about! I have been working hard to lose weight anyway and am 15 pounds away from my target of 265. So maybe I will have him set them up for 240-250?
I might consider going even a bit lower. Nicely done, you're almost jockey-weight!
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Ryan, I have done the same thing. Spent money on revalves and re-Springs Multiple times and no matter what the choppy tire track shit in the dunes still hurts. Best I’ve ever felt on the chop was my uncles 450 with Tiexeira arms and Fox generation 2 air Shox They had been custom valved by Fox.
Good to know you observe it as well.
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Jockey weight my ass! I would have to lose another 165 pounds to be a jockey lol
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Just up the power to weight ratio:)