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Offline trxdude

my quad has what I found out is a fixed advance timing add-on.  I guess it's fixed at 4 degrees advance vs. fixed at TDC like stock.... yank it or keep it?  It has USA-1 engraved on it.

It fires and runs, but I know nothing about advanced timing on these trx's good or bad, and do not want to be chasing problems.

Offline Pumashine

Just getting started with my recent trx250r purchase.. *** need advise***
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 12:21:10 PM »
No adjustment? Its nice to be able to adjust it back to 0 if you have any problems. Its not bad, there is always room for improvement over stock.
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Offline trxdude

Just getting started with my recent trx250r purchase.. *** need advise***
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 12:59:35 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221249590457?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

This is what's installed on my quad, so should I just leave it? I feel a little uncomfortable with having a fixed advance setting vs. adjustable.  I guess maybe a better question is does Honda really retard timing 4 degrees -- documented(tech bulletin)?
« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 02:44:03 PM by trxdude »

Offline trxdude

Just getting started with my recent trx250r purchase.. *** need advise***
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2013, 02:45:14 PM »
bump

Offline Pumashine

Just getting started with my recent trx250r purchase.. *** need advise***
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 03:34:35 PM »
If you go to the tech section you can read all about the ignition timing. 4 degrees probably won't hurt you. But it depends where you do most of your riding. You need the advance for higher RPM. But if you ride mostly trails then you don't need any advance. You should really try it out to see how you like it. Heres a couple paragraphs for the tech section.

Anyway, what happens when you move up or down from that 5 degree starting point? Offsetting the flywheel even more helps the engine achieve more complete combustion at higher RPMs. Starting the fire earlier, you know. But more combustion time in the cylinder means more heat absorbed in the block and head too. You'll gain top end but you'll probably need a bigger jet to keep the heat below the 380?390 degree upper limit. If you've blocked off part of the air intake on the fan shroud you may want to open that back up a bit. Most tuners aren't afraid to go up to 7 or 8 degrees, but few venture beyond there.

Unfortunately, that top-end increase comes at the expense of low end. And on track where getting off the slow corners is the difference between winning and losing, that's a poor trade. In cases like that, an experienced tuner reduce the flywheel offset to 4 or
even 3 degrees to improve low RPM performance. Since the fuel/air mixture always burns, more or less, at the same speed, if you need the engine to be at its best at lower RPMs too much advance can move the peak combustion pressure back so early in the crank rotation that it actually resists the momentum of the crank and flywheel and hurts performance. Of course, to get the optimal fuel mixture at these lower RPMs, and to help get the heat up into the desired range, you may need a smaller jet if yon reduce the offset in the ignition. Closing off some of those air intakes in the shroud may help get the heat up too.
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Offline trxdude

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 04:01:49 PM »
I'll probably never do anything but Oregon coast dunes, as I'm an urban resident and no inland property to ride on. So this fixed 4 degree advance sounds like a little "tweak" that helps the bottom end with all other items constant?

Offline Pumashine

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 04:48:43 PM »
Quote from: trxdude;9574
I'll probably never do anything but Oregon coast dunes, as I'm an urban resident and no inland property to ride on. So this fixed 4 degree advance sounds like a little "tweak" that helps the bottom end with all other items constant?
 I am reading it just the opposite. The advance is needed on the top end. Its a little "tweak" that helps on the top end with all other items constant. The reading was saying too much advance on the bottom end could actually work against you.
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Offline rsss396

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2013, 05:38:31 PM »
I think you will be fine with the +4  degrees especially with stock compression read your plugs it will tell you if added timing is hurting you
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Offline trxdude

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 05:43:08 PM »
thanks guys... I'll run it as is and check the plug to see how it reads and go from there... I'm just trying to make as ready as possible, cause the trip would be a complete bust if something broke down on me in the middle of the dunes.  I guess one of the disadvantages of not having property to play with in advance.

 

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