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Offline turkey_drag

Millenium or LA Sleeve? Time to re-sleeve, thoughts on nikasil
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2014, 08:49:54 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Hall;32409
You do not need a spacer plate for a 330 but you should bore the cases to accept the big sleeve.  I like my pistons fully supported by the sleeve for the full length of the stroke.  Some shops cut the sleeve off and let the piston do a hula dance because it is unsupported when it goes down into the cases.  

The short rod cranks run real good.  The short rods are a little stronger than the long rods.  Everyone is hung up on the fad of using as long of a connecting rod as possible.  Honda used the same length rod in the CR 250 for about 20 years.  I think Honda's engineers also did a lot of testing and probably came to the same conclusion on con rod length as I did.

I have always had short rod engines. I have my old 86 crank that Im gonna send to Crankworks and have them rebuild and balance. My buddy has an ESR 330 that they bobbed the sleeve on and he wishes now that he would have bored the cases, he just didnt wanna split the bottom. I have another set of mint 85 cases I got off Puma, plan on boring them and powder coating them then going ground up with all new bearings etc.

Offline Jerry Hall

Millenium or LA Sleeve? Time to re-sleeve, thoughts on nikasil
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2014, 09:02:53 PM »
Quote from: fearlessfred;32411
Wasn't suggesting that you needed to give tours.....I just wanted one (tour that is) thanks didn't mean to piss you off because I love seeing you post on here

I am not pissed off.  I was trying to be sarcastic/funny and say that our shop is so small that you can stand in one place, spin 360 and see almost everything without having to walk around to tour our facility.  Yes we show people our operations almost every day.

Offline Jerry Hall

Millenium or LA Sleeve? Time to re-sleeve, thoughts on nikasil
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2014, 09:06:56 PM »
Quote from: turkey_drag;32413
I have always had short rod engines. I have my old 86 crank that Im gonna send to Crankworks and have them rebuild and balance. My buddy has an ESR 330 that they bobbed the sleeve on and he wishes now that he would have bored the cases, he just didnt wanna split the bottom. I have another set of mint 85 cases I got off Puma, plan on boring them and powder coating them then going ground up with all new bearings etc.

We machine cases and build cranks.

Offline turkey_drag

Millenium or LA Sleeve? Time to re-sleeve, thoughts on nikasil
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2014, 09:17:18 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Hall;32417
We machine cases and build cranks.


Sweet. I'm prolly not gonna build it till say June or July. This factory cylinder still has plenty of juice left and I'm gonna flog on it a little more before I jump in. But ill give you a shout when it's time to machine the cases and rebuild that crank. Do you do in house balancing? The cylinder I already sent to millennium.

Offline udontknowme

Millenium or LA Sleeve? Time to re-sleeve, thoughts on nikasil
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2014, 10:45:03 PM »
i think we could say that honda engineers  knew a thing or two. but i have to question a few things they did. a large majority of the engines were bridged exh. i dont recall even 1 single person with a fair amount of 2t knowledge saying they would prefer a bridged design. all the highest of the high performance engines use mono port with auxillaries. it just works better

its been proven a longer rod works better on rotary valve engines. as for a reed valver a shorter rod may work alittle better, maybe. i suppose there would be 100 variables that need to be concidered also. with a short rod i guess the case compression could be higher and perhaps the reed valve will work better if the pressure differentials are greater. i have to wonder if that isnt part of the reason for the honda rod length which is the same length that all the other 250 bikes use. but once the engine is modified how much of the factory engineered parameters go out the window for something better ?

while we are on the subject, im not a big fan of hondas choice for ring pin location. it just limits the width on the rear transfer ports. so i see it as a poor choice of location with no benefits

im not baggin on honda because i own one myself but i dont see those engineers as geniuses like some poeple try to make them out to be
to much power is almost enough

Offline udontknowme

Millenium or LA Sleeve? Time to re-sleeve, thoughts on nikasil
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2014, 11:12:34 PM »
so back to the original topic at hand which is millenium. heres why im not happy with their welder.

this is what they were supposed to do




heres what they sent back and yes both sides are just as bad. damn pockets is full of weld. now ive got to try and grind this shit back out perfect with my porting tools and hope i get it right so the nut can sit flat or pay the local machinist to do it. even if i had a lathe,mill and cnc machine i still would be pissed because it would take away valuable time i could be using for other projects. ya ill still have them do my plating but it'll be a cold day in hell before that clown they have for a welder touches anything of mine again

to much power is almost enough

 

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