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Offline jcs003

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2014, 06:01:14 PM »
and dont forget to have your carb tuned correctly for your oil ratio.

john

Offline rsss396

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2014, 06:33:39 PM »
Jerry gives us plenty of food for thought, if he tells us exactly what and how much then when someone has a failure who's fault is it?

Life is about learning  so we to can form our own opinions, there are so many variables that it easy to prove jerry wrong in one case and correct in another.

I stand behind jerry and his theory that oil is a good thing!
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

Offline Jerry Hall

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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2014, 11:56:15 PM »
Quote from: wilkin250r;23948
.....................Jerry, great posts, but give a suggestion man!  While people love information and obviously respect your opinion, they're also looking for ANSWERS from those they admire.  Even if it's four different suggestions in one, give the people what they want!...................


I am not sure what you would like me to suggest or what is the question that you want me to answer?

Offline red88r

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2014, 01:07:28 AM »
So that's why I all the slow guys run 50-100:1!  They don't need the extra oil.:sign0108:
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Offline wilkin250r

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2014, 01:10:27 AM »
Maybe I came across wrong, and that might be because I have known so many of these members for years and years, and my mannerisms are well known to them.  Allow me to explain fully, and please understand that I am in NO way criticizing your expertise or knowledge on the subject at hand.

While you go into great depth and detail (which is fantastic), the information is incomplete.  Let me give an example.  Your first post in this thread is as follows:
Quote from: Jerry Hall;23641
As one gains experience I think you will find that the amount of oil that is needed in the fuel depends upon the RPM and the throttle position.  Many years of observation of related lubrication related failures seems to fit the same science that guides the engine manufactures that use oil injection on their two strokes.  High RPM and wide open throttle needs more oil in the fuel than low RPM and partial throttle.  Mix you oil and fuel for the worst case situation that you may subject your engine to experience.

I couldn't help but notice that there are no numbers in that entire post. A word like "more" is useless without a base of comparison.  "More" than what?  More than the 80:1 ratio that Uncle Rupert runs on his machine because he believe oil robs power?  Well yeah, I should hope you're running more oil than that.  Or is it "more" than 20:1 factory spec listed in the manual based off oil technology from 30 years ago?  In that case, I would hope not, I highly doubt you need more than 20:1.

My post was just a light-hearted attempt at saying "Throw out a number to use as a basis for comparison."  I think it is great that you are taking the time to post solid, technical, in-depth information.  In a world of cookie-cutter answers, I love the fact that you're telling people that all motors are not equal, and that different applications will have different requirements.  It is members like you that are the heart and soul of forums like this, and are the reason that people flock to us for answers.  But internet forums are often populated with a younger, less tech-savvy crowd, and many of them still need a little hand-holding until they gain enough knowledge to spread their wings.

That's all.  It was just an attempt (and apparently a poor one) to tell you that not only are you answering a question for the original poster, but you might very well be clearing up years of misconceptions and bad information for a new generation of users that search for premix information three years from now.  Specifics help, especially if you're going to throw out comparisons like "more" or "less", those specifics provide the jumping-off point.

Offline rsss396

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2014, 08:43:01 AM »
I am NOT speaking for Jerry but for myself, if I have to write a reply to someones question as though I am writing a SAE paper then I choose not to reply, I don't have time to be so in depth all the time.
But if someone still has questions and asks I normally try to answer it the best I can
When we reply to questions, these are just the view points of that person and they may not agree with the norm in the industry.
While I do not agree with Jerry and many other builders 100% on everything, you can bet that I listen and consider their view point when forming my own opinion
I pushed for the Technical section so many of the in depth subjects could be covered and saved where it would be easy to find, yet many question are still asked that are already posted.
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

Offline jcs003

fuel
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2014, 10:17:24 AM »
Quote from: rsss396;24035
I am NOT speaking for Jerry but for myself, if I have to write a reply to someones question as though I am writing a SAE paper then I choose not to reply, I don't have time to be so in depth all the time.
But if someone still has questions and asks I normally try to answer it the best I can
When we reply to questions, these are just the view points of that person and they may not agree with the norm in the industry.
While I do not agree with Jerry and many other builders 100% on everything, you can bet that I listen and consider their view point when forming my own opinion
I pushed for the Technical section so many of the in depth subjects could be covered and saved where it would be easy to find, yet many question are still asked that are already posted.

i second this.  i write enough technical papers for school and on occasion at work and its serious business to be precise and not misuse data or others intellectual property.  i will pop in a technical article from the web as a model or for fun as a reference and only in the technical section.

john

Offline wilkin250r

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2014, 05:49:16 PM »
I can't emphasize "light-hearted" enough.  Jerry, I wasn't trying to offend you.  Heck, I wasn't even trying to correct you, I thought your post was very informative and spot-on.

Again, it was a LIGHT-HEARTED attempt...

 

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