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Offline ATVRacing2

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« on: March 28, 2014, 12:10:18 PM »
Can anyone tell me what the 89 Clutch Upgrade is all about? I have no knowledge of this, so if anyone can help me out and give some info on it, it would be very much appreciated.

Offline patman13mia

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2014, 12:35:03 PM »
It is definetly a major plus to run the upgrade kit.. The 86 style has a little bearing at the end of the push rod.. The 89 gets rid of that and uses a circular needle bearing and added washer along with a new end cap/hat to push against the clutch plate.. I upgrades from 86 to 89 cause my clutch was slipping..well worth the money!!

Offline wilkin250r

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2014, 06:58:04 PM »
The problem is that the clutch pressure plate is spinning, but the pushrod is not. So how do you make them work together?

The original design used a single large bearing between the pushrod and lifter, because the lifter was directly contacting the spinning pressure plate. This bearing allowed the lifter to spin.

In 87 they changed the design to put three small bearings between the rod and lifter, and lock them together (I think because people kept loosing the single large bearing on the other design). But it still wore out very fast, because the lifter still spins when it contacts the pressure plate.

The 89 update is a much more robust design. Instead of putting a bearing between the rod and lifter to allow the lifter to spin, they put a needle bearing between the lifter and pressure plate, so now the lifter doesn't spin.  Since the lifter isn't spinning, it lasts much longer.

The 89 update will not cure a slipping clutch, it doesn't fix your springs or add more pressure. It only changes the way your clutch disengages. It only replaces the lifter and pressure plate, it doesn't change the springs, worn clutch fibers, steels, or anything like that.

If you have to pull your clutch in really far to get it to disengage, and all your adjustment is used up, the 89 update might very well fix that. But if it your clutch is worn out and is slipping, the 89 update won't do anything at all.

Offline Pumashine

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2014, 07:44:24 PM »
Quote from: wilkin250r;30156
If you have to pull your clutch in really far to get it to disengage, and all your adjustment is used up, the 89 update might very well fix that. But if it your clutch is worn out and is slipping, the 89 update won't do anything at all.

If you get an 89 update and you don't get a new push-rod you may still have trouble as the old push rod has worn down in length. I recently made some shims to get the system back to the correct accumulative length. http://trx250r.org/threads/2857-Clutch-problems!?highlight=clutch+update
Puma 408, Puma 431,  Pilot 412, Puma 431, Mini-tooth 486 Trx450r
89mm  Mini tooth Shearer in frame pipe chromed! With Cascade  Q

Offline ATVRacing2

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2014, 04:53:45 PM »
I just purchased the whole 89 upgrade kit from a local dealer. My 250R is an 88 so idk if there was a difference between the years but I am rebuilding the entire motor and clutch anyway, so I got the entire 89 upgrade.

Offline Pumashine

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2014, 05:14:59 PM »
Quote from: ATVRacing2;30205
My 250R is an 88 so idk if there was a difference between the years

Its called the 89 update cuase its offered in the kit form from Honda after 89. The 88 is the same as the 89 so you don't really need the kit
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 06:28:21 PM by Pumashine »
Puma 408, Puma 431,  Pilot 412, Puma 431, Mini-tooth 486 Trx450r
89mm  Mini tooth Shearer in frame pipe chromed! With Cascade  Q

Offline fearlessfred

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2014, 05:26:31 PM »
Quote from: Pumashine;30207
Its called the 89 update cuase its offered in the kit form from Honda after 89. The 88 is the same as the 89 so you don't really need the kit
both of my 88s that I bought new had the 3 ball bearing setup and the upgrade was offered before the 89s came out.the cost was 40 bucks from Honda.the three bearing setup ground themselves to pulp in less than 6 months time  riding two days a week.Its not very likely that there is any three bearing setups still working.The single bearing setup all ways worked fine for me

Offline Pumashine

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2014, 06:26:56 PM »
Quote from: fearlessfred;30209
both of my 88s that I bought new had the 3 ball bearing setup


Fred is right, I am completely out of my mind. 87 and 88 were the same. 89 is the only one that had the real fix. I am very sorry for my misinformation.
Puma 408, Puma 431,  Pilot 412, Puma 431, Mini-tooth 486 Trx450r
89mm  Mini tooth Shearer in frame pipe chromed! With Cascade  Q

Offline ATVRacing2

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2014, 06:35:48 PM »
Thanks for all the info guys I appreciate it. I have more questions lol Ok, so I do have the 89 upgrade kit on order, it will be in on tuesday. First,  I want to run an 8 plate Hinson clutch, Can the OEM Pressure plate that comes with the 89 Upgrade kit be used with an 8 plate setup? I saw Hinson Racing updated there website, so I was going to order a new Hinson Clutch Basket, with the FSC Clutch Plate & Spring Kit Honda TRX250R 8 Plate, and a new backing plate. Would the only thing I need after that would be a inner hub as well?? Thanks for all the input, this is my first time putting a clutch together. And yes I do have a Hinson Quick Change Cover to use the 8 plate setup as well.

Offline fearlessfred

89 Clutch Upgrade Kit
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2014, 08:32:13 PM »
/I havnt used all the parts your talking about ,but they should work together.before putting clutch side cover check for clutch disengagement.most people believe oem clutchs to be the best

 

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