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Offline Jerry Hall

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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2015, 07:22:42 PM »
Quote from: udontknowme;53283
i never seen the oem scoops but ill take your word that theyre mostly straight on. mister honda was probly pretty smart. these little things like this is were alot of the aftermarket companies fail

Creating a negative pressure over the whole back surface of the radiator can usually do as much good as building a positive pressure on the front surface of the radiator.  It is the pressure differential from the front to the rear of the radiator that causes the air to flow through the radiator.  Preventing the air from spilling over the perimeter of the radiator can help build this low pressure on the back side of the radiator.  

Angled scoops on the front or just adding a few inches or more of a straight flange around the perimeter of the radiator can help build a low pressure area behind the radiator
« Last Edit: April 20, 2015, 12:20:35 AM by Jerry Hall »

Offline rablack21

raidiator air foils
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2015, 08:03:26 AM »
Quote from: udontknowme;53279
i was reading something the other day about airscoops. no scoop at all is a bad idea like you guys already mentioned. alot of the air just goes around the rad without going through. having the scoops pointed outward to much may be bad as well as some of the air may have a easier time being pushed back out and around the scoops. straight or slightly inward pointed scoops should be best as this would make it most difficult for air to come back out and around the scoops. i know it sounds opposite of what some people think but it makes perfect sense to me. i been around a ton of different mx bikes and most of them have outward pointed scoops. the only bike i ever seen with scoops facing straight ahead was ktm and i always wondered why but i think i know the reason why now

Your thinking is correct. This is exactly what I spoke about earlier in this thread. Take a look at the pic I posted on post #22. That is why I used this example. It is the only shroud design that I have seen that guides the airflow towards the air fins and doesn't leave a gap for it to go beside the radiator.

Offline bholzgen

raidiator air foils
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2015, 01:00:19 PM »
Lets be real, who cares how much more air the standard aluminum shrouds allow to flow through the radiator.  Your quad would look goofy without any shrouds at all. :friendly_wink:
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Offline Pumashine

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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2015, 04:18:24 PM »
Quote from: bholzgen;53367
Lets be real, who cares how much more air the standard aluminum shrouds allow to flow through the radiator.  Your quad would look goofy without any shrouds at all. :friendly_wink:
Ryan does, I spent a whole month redesigning the stealth shrouds to fit up within an 1/8" and touching the radiator.
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Offline udontknowme

raidiator air foils
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2015, 12:40:23 AM »
Quote from: rablack21;53358
Your thinking is correct. This is exactly what I spoke about earlier in this thread. Take a look at the pic I posted on post #22. That is why I used this example. It is the only shroud design that I have seen that guides the airflow towards the air fins and doesn't leave a gap for it to go beside the radiator.


those angled vertical fins across the frontal section of the radiator are old skool, dating back to the mid 80's from what i remember. i think there may be far better ways now days and we can learn from modern designs. every year ktm seems to be putting forth alot of effort to make their bikes the best and you can see theyre even adressing the little things like the fins across the front section of the radiator. by changing their shape they increased cooling efficiency 10% while mantaining the same coolant capacity and rad surface area. i have drawn red lines to represent what i believe is a close proximation of what their shape is but its hard to tell just from that one pic. it seems to me that rather than just a angled fin like whats been used for ages on nearly every mx bike, they have shaped the fins so the air turns back straight as it enters the cores. and those rad scoops that are angled outward at a rediculous angle, something tells me thats not the best idea. anyways heres a snippet from a article on these rad gaurds

KTM’s engineers put lots of thought into their radiator design. Rather than just put old-school plastic guards on the front of their radiators, KTM used wind tunnels to design a new radiator guard shape that flows more air (and is made from a stiffer plastic to help the flow and act as a radiator brace). The radiator shrouds also seal against the outer edge of the radiators to direct airflow into the radiator’s cores. There is a new filler cap and filler neck that seals better than last year’s design. The end result of all of this work is that the exact same capacity and surface area produces 10 percent better cooling efficiency
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