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Offline MajorCR3

Port work with oem exhaust
« on: June 08, 2016, 04:25:44 PM »
This may be a bit of an odd question but im going for it anyway.  I have a completely stock 89' bike that is going to become my wifes dune bike.  I plan to restore the bike so it looks like it just rolled off of the factory floor (minus pricey oem plastic).  She is used to riding a 400ex so she likes the grunt of the 4 stroke.  How would some bottom end porting with a set of aftermarket reeds do with the factory exhaust?  Any experience I have with stock exhaust is on motorcross bikes, and they tend to do alright with some port work.  I was just wondering if anyone has done this before or has some insight to it.  

Nick
2005 TRX363 Sphynx Hybrid..... :D

Luck is the combination of preparation and opportunity.

Offline Jerry Hall

Port work with oem exhaust
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2016, 03:17:35 PM »
A stock of the show room floor TRX250R will make 32 to 34 HP on my dyno.  A stock YZ 250, CR250R, etc off the show room floor will make 42 to 46 hp on my dyno.  There is a big difference in the level of development that was put into the stock ports and exhaust on the ATC/TRX250R engine vs a stock 250 motocross engine.  

If you do something to the ports on the TRX250R to substantially enhance the low end power with the stock exhaust you will decrease the power in the upper midrange and top end that is already low.  Exhaust pipes that will enhance the low end will also hurt the power in the upper RPM range.

About the only thing that will give the engine more grunt is a very detuned big bore with a lot of compression and an exhaust system that is designed to grunt and not rev.

I have had a lot of customers that were told that their cylinders were ported for more low end but my dyno shows the opposite occurred.  The problem is customers and engine builders have different definitions of "low end", "grunt", "mid range" "top end" etc.  so it is very hard to define when there is a disagreement at what RPM low end occurs.  

After many years of building engines and trying to match customers power expectations with dyno numbers, the majority of the customers are expecting a power increase in the 4500 to 6000 RPM range when they say they want more low end, mid range is in the 6000 to 7500 and top end 7500 and up.

In summary:  I do not think you will attain the low end power of the 400EX with reeds, low end porting or any other modifications that will make her think she is riding a 400EX.

Offline MajorCR3

Port work with oem exhaust
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2016, 04:06:05 PM »
Thanks for that write up Jerry.  That is pretty much my exact thinking, but I was looking to see what others would say.  

She isn't looking to hop onto the 250r and it be just like the 400ex.  She actually hasn't complained about it at all.  I was just thinking of doing some tinkering on it when I rebuild the engine to get some more power out of it, but keep the stock look.  And by more power I mean more in the low-mid range because I know she could care less about top end power.

I have an extra stock cylinder laying on the bench to play with, so if I didnt like the results of some porting it wouldnt be a huge loss.

Nick
2005 TRX363 Sphynx Hybrid..... :D

Luck is the combination of preparation and opportunity.

 

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