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Offline atvmxr

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2021, 09:26:06 AM »
mikuni can lick my taint  lol

probably because Im a simpleton, but always feel Keihn were way easier to tune
Bunch of race quads that run on premix

Offline Michael88R

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2021, 09:47:51 AM »
What you described is exactly what it does.  Eddie told me to adjust The pilot and needle leaner to make it responsive.   I think the midrange was way to lean.  But if I richen it, it Is boggy down low.  It was running like shit trying to do tree shots.   So boggy it would almost die.  Good Info to know.  My tmx has the adapter ring from ESR.  Fits like a glove but I’m switching to a standard bell for a custom no link intake. 
88’ R Esr 350 CEO, Esr trx5 pipe
88’ R Esr ported stock cylinder, waiting for rebuild when my son gets a little older

Offline Jerry Hall

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2021, 10:20:11 AM »
I also prefer the Mikuni carbs because they have more circuits to adjust.  The PE, PJ, PWK, Air Striker do not have the ability to change the Air Correction Jet, Needle Jet, or the size of the Float Valve Seat. 

Needle jets ware out in all carbs.  This is the main reason that needle selection varies among those that have the same engine package as others, but need to have a different needle to compensate for the ware in the needle jet and needles.  Another reason that Keihin needle jets ware out so quickly, is they are using a bronze needle and a brass needle jet.  Common engineering practice is not design mechanisms using similar base metals for components that have two surfaces that slide over one another.

Mikuni uses a brass needle jet and a hard anodized aluminum needle.  Using dissimilar metals greatly reduces the ware on these two components.  I cannot remember when I measured an old Mikuni needle and found any ware when compared to a new needle.  When I measure a Mikuni needle jet and find ware, I just replace the needle jet and not have to spend $200.00 worth of time searching/tuning for a new Keihin needle that will restore the performance to what it used to be when the carb was new. 

I have to use a small bore gage to measure needle jets.  You cannot use gage pins to check the ware in needle jets, because the needle jets holes become oval in shape.

Offline Michael88R

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2021, 09:53:09 AM »
Ride report.  Gliders worked great.  Almost no roost.  Handled good.  Not too loose feeling.  I was surprised they didn’t slide more.  Seemed to always drive forward like a hauler.  The bite is better than knobbies but nowhere near a hauler or edge.  Most wouldn’t like that but that’s kinda what I was looking for.  Plenty of bite to climb any dune with ease.  I was considering a 9 paddle, but I’m glad I got the 10 paddle. 
88’ R Esr 350 CEO, Esr trx5 pipe
88’ R Esr ported stock cylinder, waiting for rebuild when my son gets a little older

Offline The norm

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2021, 11:54:07 AM »
I have read on forums in the past that a paddle is unnecessary in the Glamis dunes. As a matter of fact I have read several heated arguments about tire selection for the California dunes. I have always used haulers on all my quads and couldn't imagine running knobbies.
Loren
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering 391(Good bye super 310)
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering  ported stock 86 cylinder
1986 Trx250r-- craigslist engine with unknown ported 89 cylinder.
1985 Atc250r-- Needs a lot of work (Super 310's new home)

Offline broken1

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2021, 11:55:43 AM »
I would definitely use paddles at Glamis... Michael if you don't already have a steering stabilizer there worth every penny & when you set them up on the tight side it makes it easier to throw the rear end around. Even with standard 8 paddle haulers I couldn't throw the back end around very easy without really yarding on it. Now with the stabilizer I just have to do a little twist & it practically throws itself.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2021, 11:57:57 AM by broken1 »

Offline Hawaiiysr

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2021, 01:12:10 PM »
is the sand there much more coarse?

Offline Michael88R

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2021, 02:25:54 PM »
The sand varies Glamis because it is so huge.  There are areas where you feel like you are sinking in.  It’s definitely different than Oregon though.  Oregon seems softer and even when it’s wet it’s still seems softer.
88’ R Esr 350 CEO, Esr trx5 pipe
88’ R Esr ported stock cylinder, waiting for rebuild when my son gets a little older

Offline 2ndmoto

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2021, 09:09:08 PM »
I remember glamis being dusty and very course sand. But that was many moons ago when I was there.

Offline havinnoj

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2021, 02:59:13 PM »
I remember glamis being dusty and very course sand. But that was many moons ago when I was there.

Yep same. I went once in March and it was soft, and dusty.  Could you ride around without paddles?  I'm sure, but I'm also sure it would be a PITA on hills.  But I have seen pics from people there in November-December when the sand seems very firm, might be better without paddles that time of year.

Offline atvmxr

Re: New 21x12-8 Skat trak gliders on champion bead locks
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2021, 03:21:00 PM »
seems like it kinda depends how much power you have as well as the sand being wet/coarse.  knobbies dont work worth a crap on a blaster, put the same tires on a zilla and off you go
Bunch of race quads that run on premix

 

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