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Offline Maxxh2o

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2013, 02:50:09 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Hall;15255
Going from .195" to .235" is an increase in DIAMETER of 20.5%


Going from .195" to .235" is an increase in AREA of 45%



If there are not any restrictions above or below the .235 diameter hole you should have an increase in VOLUME (flow rate) of about 45%.


Running a CR250 petcock that has been drilled out is a cheap mod for those on a budget. You lose the res though.

Offline Rupp250

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2013, 03:41:15 PM »
I also run a modded stock petcock. I ground the tab off and run it pulling from both feeds.
I have a 44mm Lectron/stock clear bowl and 363 Sphinx that is making 70HP. The carb does not run dry while running the hills.
DRAG- Puma in a Ziggy Chassis
TRAIL -86  250R ported stock cylinder
DUNER -86 250R  Flinstone

Offline Jerry Hall

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2013, 12:32:01 PM »
High performance engines should NEVER run the pet cock in the ON position unless it has been modified to flow fuel through the Reserve and On port of the pet cock simultaneously.  Do not risk starving the ON stand-pipe pick up even for a second or two when the fuel gets low and the fuel "slosh" does not keep the stand-pipe submerged 100% of the time.

Offline Jerry Hall

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2013, 01:54:20 PM »
Quote from: DnB_Racing;15185
this idea probably has no real benefit, but its late and im just thinking about this

you could put a small check valve on the vent tube and pressurize the tank with a couple pounds of pressure before say a drag race to have added pressure???
not sure what it would do but just a thought

Increasing the tank pressure will increase the flow.  1 psi of pressure at the float valve will approximately double the fuel flow over what you would have with a gravity feed system when the fuel tank is full. A fuel level in the gas tank that is 1 foot above the the float valve will produce approximately 0.4 to 0.5 psi at the float valve.  

The float valves on the majority of the PJ or PWK type of Keihin carburetor are sized for gravity feed.  Float valves sized for gravity feed will stop holding as the pressure approaches 1 psi.  When the float valve stops holding, the fuel level will rise causing an extreme rich condition in addition to fuel overflowing out of the vent lines.  The float valve seat on the Keihin carbs cannot be replaced with different sizes like the Mikuni carbs.  Mikuni offers this feature of replaceable seat sizes to accommodate a wide range of fuel pressures to the carb.  

Sizing the seat size with the correct fuel pressure to get maximum flow sometimes takes a lot of testing to find the right combination.  I often use variable fuel pressure systems to offer low pressure when the fuel demand is low and higher pressure at higher fuel demands on the methanol systems.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2013, 10:50:57 AM by Jerry Hall »

Offline rablack21

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2013, 08:00:44 AM »
So how do you perform this mod for ON+RES?

Offline Bowtie316

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2013, 08:28:20 AM »
Quote from: rablack21;15429
So how do you perform this mod for ON+RES?

Good question, I should have included it in the original post.  Basically you just take the retainer plate (the one that says on - off- res) off, and grind out the stop so it will let the valve travel all the way around.  Then you just turn it forward, 180 degrees from off. That allows it to feed from on+res simultaneously.

Offline rablack21

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2013, 08:30:17 AM »
Quote from: Bowtie316;15431
Good question, I should have included it in the original post.  Basically you just take the retainer plate (the one that says on - off- res) off, and grind out the stop so it will let the valve travel all the way around.  Then you just turn it forward, 180 degrees from off. That allows it to feed from on+res simultaneously.

Cool deal. Thanks. I think I am going to do this mod and drill mine out also.

Offline rsss396

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2013, 11:48:28 AM »
when you remove the tab and position the valve so it is 180 from off the half circle relief cut into the back of the valve is now positioned so both the res and on is exposed.
not sure if you can see the relief very well in this pic but that may make you understand better

« Last Edit: October 22, 2013, 05:04:21 PM by rsss396 »
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

Offline Rupp250

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2013, 12:18:32 PM »
I only see a red X.
DRAG- Puma in a Ziggy Chassis
TRAIL -86  250R ported stock cylinder
DUNER -86 250R  Flinstone

Offline rsss396

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2013, 05:04:35 PM »
hows that
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

Offline rablack21

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2013, 08:03:16 AM »
Quote from: rsss396;15486
hows that

Dave, call me the stupid one, but what part are you actually grinding on? The pic looks good; is there any way to add an arrow pointing to what you are grinding?

Offline Bowtie316

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2013, 08:16:41 AM »
Quote from: rablack21;15522
Dave, call me the stupid one, but what part are you actually grinding on? The pic looks good; is there any way to add an arrow pointing to what you are grinding?

Do you want us to grind it for you too, Jk.


Offline rablack21

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2013, 08:18:36 AM »
Somehow missed that from the first pic. Yes, mod it for me Bowtie, that would be just fine. LOL

Offline HAYESTRX250R

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2013, 07:26:36 PM »
Neato

Offline Pricecheck

Petcock mod flow data
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2013, 10:44:15 AM »
I freakin love it. I have two petcocks so I can play with one. Problem is that it leaks out the front. Maybe those two washer things under the plate that tells you what position you're in are in wrong? It has two tabs on it but maybe they go in differently. I bought the tank on eBay but decided to clean it out. The petcock had goop in it and I'm glad I cleaned it out. Never tested it for leaks but it does now. I'd like to get it fixed so I can mod it and the one on my R.

I like the number results from testing.

 

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