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Offline pantera1975

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« on: November 26, 2013, 09:49:26 PM »
Is it gonna be worth while to build my 330 up more. Where I ride we have water holes,puddles and real dusty trails so I dont think a air box eliminator is a good idea. As of now I have the following
  • ESR ATC 5 pipe
  • 39 mm Keihin carb
  • 100 octane dome
  • 330 ESR cylinder
  • trx 9 porting
  • stock ignition with a new honda CDI and coil
  • long rod crank
  • v 3 reeds
  • billet exhaust flange
  • full stock air box with no lid
  • I been running a ESR silencer but have a 5" dia and 17" long one I made to be quiet. The inlet stinger fits over the ESR pipe stinger and the perforated core fits inside the other end of my silencer stinger.

396RS-SS helped me with some jetting this summer because of knocking. My needle was lean from 1/8-1/2. Honestly there is no seat of the pants difference between using a esr silencer or the one I made which I know the bends are restrictive. I know the silencer is super quiet and have to work on the stinger. 1 of my questions is should I go up 1 size on my perforated core size over what esr uses with a 330. Being I use the stock air box am I wasting my money porting the motor or trying to flow anymore air thru this motor?  It runs real good now and I know I could have alot more power if I eliminated the air box but our riding conditions in Wisconsin are dirty.
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Offline JasonB

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2013, 10:54:29 PM »
So you're just dumping the stock air box for the ESR pod kit? I run that it works great on my 310 motor. Honestly if your 330 runs good you may not find a lot of gains elsewhere, most people buy kits like outs and never experience the true power from them because of other engine issues that's hinder performance.
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Offline rsss396

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2013, 11:39:05 PM »
I would increase the perforated tube to the next size, you normally try to create the proper amount of restriction near the pipe and after that should be free flowing.
You seam to have a good combination of parts and probably will not see big power gains unless you get into trying to build a drag bike.
I know not many 3 wheeler pipes are out there but that maybe something to try because the power delivery maybe more what you like with a different design.
There was a guy making hand coned versions of the 11 pipe for 3 wheelers maybe he could build you one if you are looking for more topend power.
Porting may gain some power depending how well it was done originally, and what you are looking for from the motor. the 9 porting is kind of a typical duner motor or TT style
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

Offline pantera1975

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2013, 07:02:41 AM »
I am keeping the air box for the  purpose of keeping water off the filter and protecting it from all the dust.  I really am not sure if going from trx9 esr porting to a full MX  type port and polish will make that much difference for trail riding and private land riding. Does going to a stroked crank change much either? I can get another year on my top end and rather spend the money on inverted forks and a custom seat finish up my muffler.

Offline Bowtie316

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2013, 07:26:07 AM »
Be careful trying to go to the extra stroke, if it's not set up right with the short spacer and cut dome, it can take the port timing way up.

Offline rsss396

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2013, 10:39:28 AM »
adding stroke does add port timing especially in the transfers, the cylinder can be run with a spacer and/or gaskets that does not raise the cylinder as much as a typical stroker spacer which then helps keep the port timing from getting to high. That is what I did on Jon's ProX motor, but the piston does come out of the cylinder some and the head must be recut to account for the piston.

you still have not really explained what you are looking for in the powerband, I take it you are wanting more low-mid range power if you trail ride, the trx9 porting is a dune porting and that means port timing should favor more mid-upper power, MX porting will be slightly less so more than likely the base gasket would need to be thinner and the base of the cylinder would need to be cut to lower the cylinder so port timings can favor a more MX powerband.

I think you should just play with tuning the carb with different needles maybe add a little timing by buying a adjustable counter balancer holder for the pickup and also improve your tailpipe bend that you did along with a larger perforated screen.

with those 3 changes I think you will see a noticeable change in power once everything is optimized
Anyone looking for a great builder I highly recommend the following.
For CP products dealers I would recommend:
Arlan at LED(site sponsor), Pete Schemberger at Hybrid Engineering, Mat Shearer at Shearer Custom Pipes, Dennis Packard at Packard Racing, and Nate McCoy of McCoys Peformance.

Other great builders I also would recommend: Neil Prichard, Jerry Hall, Bubba Ramsey and James Dodge.

Offline pantera1975

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2013, 07:18:50 PM »
I like the power of the trx 9 porting on my trail tech with 13/38 gearing I achieve the highest top speed in 6th gear 80 mph I can roll almost to a stop and take off in 3rd gear. I do run all 3 6 ply tires. I asked about building a stroker motors advantages but I know there is alot of work & money involved in setting up everything. Besides a better exhaust system theres really no seat go your pant difference. I run tight wood trails that are grass,dirt,mud,gravel, and flat out full throttle. The other person thatr rides with me has a stock DS650 but is gonna upgrade the exhaust. My 3 wheeler is even in 1 and 2 then pulls away and keeps pulling away til we let off. I think his tops out at 72.

Offline Ninja250

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2013, 04:33:27 PM »
my esr 330 ran strong,  got a local guru port it, runs much better. porting was worth every penny. sam

Offline Pumashine

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2013, 06:54:29 PM »
Quote from: Ninja250;18730
my esr 330 ran strong,  got a local guru port it, runs much better. porting was worth every penny. sam
Runs much better? Show some pics please.
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Offline Ninja250

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2013, 08:25:30 PM »
stationed in cali 2 years ago. trinity harry mcdermit had it ported, dont know who did the work. later leanerd trinity 2 stroke port work is sent out. 4 stroke work ported in house. quads in storage, what pictures do you want to see? sam

Offline Ninja250

Up grading my ESR 330 in a ATC
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2013, 08:34:49 PM »
yes sir. was told trinity lost the 2 stroke port guy, idk. does run much better than before. sam

 

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