Author Topic: Yall wana see the washer that ruined my weekend??? (Read 4258 times)

patman13mia · « **on:** March 31, 2014, 09:00:36 PM »

This lil lock washer is the reason why i had to split the cases like 3 times.. I gave up and saved it for another day.. Well today i figured it out.. Got some pics to show.. First pic is of the two washers that interlock.. Second pic is the first washer that goes on. Fits nicely on the grooves.. Third pic is the washer with the teeth that lock into the first washer. You can see the gap in between the two.. After a lil while of tryna figure why it wont lock in there.. I spin the spline in my hand and the washer spins and aligns to where the second washer will let the teeth lock in.. Just that little gap would not allow the gears to shift correctly... Wheeeew!!

havinnoj · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2014, 09:04:45 PM »

I feel your pain! Glad you got it solved now though!

Hawaiiysr · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2014, 09:16:53 PM »

I have to take note for when I rebuild my bottoms

patman13mia · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2014, 09:24:36 PM »

Yea man this lock washer is a tricky one. I sure know these R bottom ends alot better after this past weeknd. Having to assemble then dis assemble over and over i found some ways to do stuff easier. The tech manual is so outdated and all over the place with steps.. Any questions just let me know.

atvmxr · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2014, 10:37:52 PM »

Quote from: Hawaiiysr;30427

I have to take note for when I rebuild my bottoms

+1.

C-Leigh Racing · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2014, 08:47:08 AM »

That is a simple mistake, any one of us could make, so dont go beating your self up over it.
One thing I can tell you, you just graduated from the University of hard knocks in transmissions, because you are one that has learned from a hands on mistake & nobody can discredit or take that away from you, you'll never forget that.
Now just think, I'm 62 & just about 99% of what I know about engines, I got from that same University of hard knocks & no one can discredit or take it away from me.
Neil

Tbone07 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2014, 09:23:59 AM »

If I completely disassemble my transmission I always make sure I get the 250R microfiche out and separate the main shaft components from the countershaft. Then use the microfiche to re-assemble.

Can't tell you how many times i've assembled a bottom end and it won't shift. Happens to the best of us

patman13mia · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2014, 11:59:14 AM »

Quote from: C-Leigh Racing;30473

That is a simple mistake, any one of us could make, so dont go beating your self up over it.
One thing I can tell you, you just graduated from the University of hard knocks in transmissions, because you are one that has learned from a hands on mistake & nobody can discredit or take that away from you, you'll never forget that.
Now just think, I'm 62 & just about 99% of what I know about engines, I got from that same University of hard knocks & no one can discredit or take it away from me.
Neil

thanks neil thats pretty cool of you to say. somebody that has as much respect in the 250r world as you do giving compliments. i sure did learn alot. but now im stuck with the issue of i put it all together assembled into the left crankcase and then put in the crank which went on pretty nice. then i put the right case halve on and i have to beat it in with a hammer and a wooden block. thats the only way i can get it in. the tranny moves when i do that so it wont shift once i get the halves together finally. rsss396 told me i need to sand down the inside of one of the bearings just enough to make it a slip fit. i was thinking can i do this with also a combo of crank in the freezer and a lil heat on the inside race of the bearings?? what do you guys do to pull the halves together and everything work like it should??

Powderillusions · « **Reply #8 on:** April 01, 2014, 12:50:47 PM »

I found a 3/8 washer part blocking an intake passage on a YFZ I used to have, That washer is now a key chain!

hickwheeler · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2014, 02:29:38 PM »

I have a crank puller. if I was closer to you I would let you use it

JTRtrx250r · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2014, 04:19:23 PM »

props dude!

I dig how you guys post so many more pics these days than the last 5 R sites over the yrs, way helpful!

patman13mia · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2014, 04:46:28 PM »

Quote from: hickwheeler;30495

I have a crank puller. if I was closer to you I would let you use it

Dang man I wish ya was also. Maybe we could meet up and.ride ine day. Do yiu ride at tahuya?

patman13mia · « **Reply #12 on:** April 01, 2014, 04:50:22 PM »

Quote from: JTRtrx250r;30502

props dude!

I dig how you guys post so many more pics these days than the last 5 R sites over the yrs, way helpful!

Yea I.feel ya in that man.picture says a thousand words.its hard to.learn with just words and no visuals

mx250r91 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 01, 2014, 06:20:37 PM »

Quote from: patman13mia;30485

now im stuck with the issue of i put it all together assembled into the left crankcase and then put in the crank which went on pretty nice. then i put the right case halve on and i have to beat it in with a hammer and a wooden block

Is it a hot rod crank? The OEM crank is a slip fit, the right case half should slide on fairly easily. The hot rod crank is a press fit on both sides, on my hot rod +4 stroker I sanded the right journal down with emory cloth to OEM diameter to make it a slip fit.

C-Leigh Racing · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2014, 08:25:03 PM »

Quote from: patman13mia;30485

thanks neil thats pretty cool of you to say. somebody that has as much respect in the 250r world as you do giving compliments. i sure did learn alot. but now im stuck with the issue of i put it all together assembled into the left crankcase and then put in the crank which went on pretty nice. then i put the right case halve on and i have to beat it in with a hammer and a wooden block. thats the only way i can get it in. the tranny moves when i do that so it wont shift once i get the halves together finally. rsss396 told me i need to sand down the inside of one of the bearings just enough to make it a slip fit. i was thinking can i do this with also a combo of crank in the freezer and a lil heat on the inside race of the bearings?? what do you guys do to pull the halves together and everything work like it should??

If everything is right, you shouldnt have to hammer on the cases to get he bottom end back together.
That is the only thing about the Hot Rods crank, not being a slip fits in the clutch side main bearing.
Now I do different from you, I put all the transmission stuff in the right hand case half, everything, then I have the main bearing that is slip fit. Once that is complete, I heat the main bearing on the left hand case half & slip the crank in, let it all cool, then its just a mater of laying the center gasket in place with a little thin coat of three bond for insurance around the outside of the crank & then slip that left hand case half onto the right hand.
Sometimes I may have to bump the case half with my hands, to get it to seat all the way together, but never have to beat them together.
Neil