Author Topic: ESR 330 Failure (Read 50648 times)

F-Red · « **Reply #45 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:48:47 PM »

Quote from: 86_350r;4224

I too went through multiple problems with my ESR330 non bolt on. It would seize up after maybe 3 or 4 hours or easy riding. I believe I went throu 4 pistons and finally gave up. I couldnt keep the O rings in the head either. I was blowing those out about every other ride. On the last piston I ended up pulling 2 head studs out from all the on-off of the head and gave up. It is still sitting in my shed to this day. Been very happy with my Sphinx so far. Good luck with the cylinder. Hopefully everything works out for you.

It does suck! I'm going to try and open up the water passage around the exhaust port. Maybe block off some flow, around the intake, in the head. I want a Sphinx, but my wife would shoot me and burn the "R" right now. If this ESR doesn't work out, Sphinx for Chirstmas! :glee: Thanks for the luck!

Langbolt · « **Reply #46 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:52:36 PM »

Quote from: Pumashine;4205

ESR does not have time to be on the forums. They requested a banner only and not a forum section. You must all be aware that 2 guys cannot answer all your questions while building the most economical 250r parts available in the U.S. today. You can bet that if Eddie had the time he would answer each and every question you could possibly have. Thanks for understanding, Tony

Sorry Tony .....it was just wishful thinking I guess....I thought it was gonna be kinda like Neil - C-Leigh Racing - where we could have a section where we ask questions and they could reply....I understand they're way too busy....maybe as time passes they'll be able to have more time or be able to answer our questions here....here's hoping

etccb · « **Reply #47 on:** July 17, 2013, 04:19:04 PM »

F-red I was just reading your post. Why do you have your cr ig advanced 5-6 deg? Shouldn't it be at zero?

F-Red · « **Reply #48 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:19:40 AM »

Quote from: etccb;4343

F-red I was just reading your post. Why do you have your cr ig advanced 5-6 deg? Shouldn't it be at zero?

That was Uncle Neil's recommendation. He said between 4-6 degrees. From what Neil has told me, ESR's adapter plate (using their stock setting), full retard postion, is still 5-6 degrees.

etccb · « **Reply #49 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:26:23 AM »

I think you should call esr on this to confirm. Might be the root of your current problem that you have been having. Worth a call to check on anyway.

F-Red · « **Reply #50 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:31:50 AM »

Done that, Tom couldn't tell me. :apologetic:

rsss396 · « **Reply #51 on:** July 18, 2013, 11:50:06 AM »

So when you have your cr ignition mounted do you have the factory locating plate installed on the bottom held on with a single phillips head screw and the 6mm stator bolt?

Like I said in another thread, I have had 4 adapter plates for these ignitions and they were all the same with 0 degrees of advance at the stator plate. They locate the stator in the same position as it was mounted in a cr250 case.

IMO if you look at the piston edge that is burned away in your picture it shows a lean condition. while to much timing can compound a lean condition by moving heat from the pipe to the piston, typically a motor with to much advance will detonate,and/or melt the center of a piston and/or burn ground straps on the plug.

Too lean of fuel will almost always burn away the exhaust side of the piston

F-Red · « **Reply #52 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:09:21 PM »

The ignition is mounted to the fixed ESR plate. Held on as shown. I trust your opinion on the timing. Just confused. The last pic shows the timimg marks off idle. To me it is firing before TDC. Should be good, no?

rsss396 · « **Reply #53 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:59:03 PM »

Are you sure that your picture is not deceiving you or when you look at the mounting plate and adapter plate, I know when I sent jim a picture of his stator plate that I machined it looked like the Zero line did not line up the lineon the adapter plate but when you looked at it in person or took a picture at a differant angle they did.
But lets say your picture is accurate then it is still only 1-2 degrees advanced, if you look at the picture of the stator plate I did on the Service Honda Ign you can get a idea how much 1-2 degrees would be.

On your picture of the flywheel, I would guess that the amount of timing advance to be 9-10 degrees which if you look at my timing graphs 9 degrees is how much you should see.

F-Red · « **Reply #54 on:** July 19, 2013, 06:46:28 AM »

It's be well over a year, since I was trying to time this beast. A lot of uncertainty for sure. Once I have it back together and running, I'll be checking the timing again. Something is not right, That last pic of mine
is in full retard postion. You say it looks like 9-10 degrees adavanced. I'll figure it out. And thanks for your advice and time Dave. :joyous:

rsss396 · « **Reply #55 on:** July 19, 2013, 08:55:02 AM »

That just a guess looking at a picture and then 9-10 degrees is only at the very low rpms. cr250 ignitions should be 20 degrees advanced at a more typical 2000 rpm idle.

MANIAK · « **Reply #56 on:** July 22, 2013, 08:07:18 PM »

I didn't read any mention of possible bad crank seals. I had an engine do this with several different cylinders and what was happening in my case was the stator side was sucking air at high RPM leaning the engine out. I could ride mine anywhere from 30 minutes to 5 hours between seizures. After some new crank seals and some epilepsy medication, my problem was fixed.

F-Red · « **Reply #57 on:** July 23, 2013, 06:43:59 AM »

Quote from: MANIAK;5149

I didn't read any mention of possible bad crank seals. I had an engine do this with several different cylinders and what was happening in my case was the stator side was sucking air at high RPM leaning the engine out. I could ride mine anywhere from 30 minutes to 5 hours between seizures. After some new crank seals and some epilepsy medication, my problem was fixed.

In the first post, I mentioned the leak down test passed each time.

BJR88250r · « **Reply #58 on:** July 24, 2013, 05:08:19 PM »

Just thought I'd update you guys I posted awhile back about my cylinder issues. Called esr back again today it has been since march they have had this cylinder mind ya lol. So anyway I talk to Tom and he puts me on hold like usual. So I figured no biggie he was just thinking up an excuse like he usually does the most recent excuse is sleeves are on back order or Eddie is gonna get to it this week I promise. Those are the excuses I usually get its always something.Been so many over the numerous phone calls I can't remember them all.So anyway he gets back on the phone and says Eddie said he's not gonna honor the deal we had worked out 5 months ago (for all the times this cylinder had been shipped backed to them and the piston kits I paid for out of my pocke and not to count all the down time) because I was on the forums running my mouth was Tom exact words. So I said you gotta be kiddin me you shoulda just shipped it back 5 months ago and stoppwd wasting my time. What a piss poor way to run a business. Needless to say after words were exchanged he hung up on me so I called back and asked for Eddie like I have numerous times before and he of course couldn't take my call. Tom called me a **** bird and I was just tryin to get something for nothing and hung the phone up lol. What a guy. So there sending my cylinder back and it will be a door stop cause I'm not sinking another dollar into it. With all the extra money I put into this cylinder I shoulda just had led work me up one cause Tom said theirs was cheaper and ran just as good and I fell for it lol. I'll just continue running my older lrd prox 310 which wiped the floor anyway with that esr mess. Thanx a lot Tom and Eddie hopefully your cylinders have improved since mine cause mine sure as heck never ran long enough to say so. Mine always hung up on the exhaust side with rich jetting and 50/50 race cut on there pump gas setup. Sorry for the winded post but I had to vent this all took place about and hour ago.

etccb · « **Reply #59 on:** July 24, 2013, 06:07:33 PM »

bj
If they were going to replace something that they did not believe that they needed to but were just going to for customer service and then while waiting you bashed them on the forum, well that can change things. Thats just a thought that I got from your posts.