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Offline Outlaw525

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« on: May 23, 2014, 02:01:57 PM »
I just got a 265 pv cylinder needs plated. On the ride to it new home usps decided to play kick ball with it. They ended up cracking the lower cylinder skirt. It is ported by ftz. I currently have a claim filed with USPS. Any advice on who to send it to would be great. Would it be a good idea to go to a 270. Cylinder skirts are alum. Any builder with in put would be great. don't want to scrap it.


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Offline rk88r

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2014, 06:08:01 PM »
I'm not a pro builder, I would send it to Millennium Technologies.


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Offline Jerry Hall

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2014, 06:44:02 PM »
Quote from: Outlaw525;34663
I just got a 265 pv cylinder needs plated. On the ride to it new home usps decided to play kick ball with it. They ended up cracking the lower cylinder skirt. It is ported by ftz. I currently have a claim filed with USPS. Any advice on who to send it to would be great. Would it be a good idea to go to a 270. Cylinder skirts are alum. Any builder with in put would be great. don't want to scrap it.


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I hope you get USPS to pay for it.  I have seen this happen with UPS and Fed Ex also.  This could be easily prevented if the cylinders were packed properly.  

Guys send me cylinders all of the time with a lot of packing cushion on the top and sides of the cylinder but the skirt of the cylinder is against the bottom or side of the box.  

Fed Ex, USPS or UPS will tell you it has to be packed  so that you can drop the box on any side from about 3 to 4 feet on a concrete slab and not hurt the contents of the package.  Packages fall off the conveyor belt, packages get dropped, it is not intentional but it happens.

In over 30 years of shipping motor parts we have never had a shipment damaged that we packed.   We have had a few packages that got lost.  I have had a lot of poorly packed cylinders arrive that the sleeves got broken in shipment.

I cannot see the crack, where is it? All I see is a cylinder bore that is worn out and scored.  This did not happen during shipping

Offline Outlaw525

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2014, 08:39:57 PM »
Crack is in the center of the skirt. Hair line about 1/4 in long. Yes it did need to be plated when I got it not a big deal. Talked to millennium said $300 to $400 plate and weld sleave. Has any one had a sleeve welded. And will it last if it is.


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Offline rsss396

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2014, 09:03:13 AM »
I had millennium weld a skirt on a cylinder for me they did a great job. The sleeve has not gave me any problems

with them welding it would be best IMO to go up to the next bore size because the heat from welding is going to mess with the bore some.
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Offline Pumashine

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2014, 10:49:25 AM »
Quote from: Jerry Hall;34757
I hope you get USPS to pay for it.  I have seen this happen with UPS and Fed Ex also.  This could be easily prevented if the cylinders were packed properly.  

Guys send me cylinders all of the time with a lot of packing cushion on the top and sides of the cylinder but the skirt of the cylinder is against the bottom or side of the box.  

This is why I always ship cylinders laying on the side with at least 2" of packing material between the skirt and side of the box.
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Offline trx250scar

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2014, 02:44:48 PM »
Quote from: Pumashine;34815
This is why I always ship cylinders laying on the side with at least 2" of packing material between the skirt and side of the box.

Good call

Offline Jerry Hall

Who to plate and weld on a cylinder
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2014, 06:50:05 PM »
Quote from: rsss396;34807
I had millennium weld a skirt on a cylinder for me they did a great job. The sleeve has not gave me any problems

with them welding it would be best IMO to go up to the next bore size because the heat from welding is going to mess with the bore some.

I see it now.  Cracks in that location and direction are usually the result of a piston skirt or something else letting go while the engine was running.  I do not think that it got cracked in shipping.  I can see too many other signs of something letting go while the engine was running or maybe the guy that packed it and used a ball peen hammer to position the packing materials around the cylinder.
 
I bet if you laid a straightedge on the inside of the bore you will see the sleeve is bend outward a little. A cylinder that has been dropped will have the skirts bent inward not outward.  The skirt will bend in the direction the force was applied.  

All of the sleeves I have seen broken from being dropped or improper packing usually occurs on the intake skirt where the sleeve is very thin at the bottom corners of the intake port.

 

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