Author Topic: PM from Carlos concerning CP Industries products (Read 13416 times)

FerrinMotorsports · « **Reply #30 on:** June 14, 2014, 03:09:07 AM »

Quote from: Kevhes11;36588

I would just love to actually see a bdt bike in person. I see a lot of ESR, CT, ect but not one bdt. I don't live far away hw don't I see this successful companies motors at the local events? In pismo? No where but a small select guys he gives parts to so they advertise for him.

Kevhes11 I have tried several time to get him to get one of his customers to bring there special "simply the best" BDT built dream 250r's to Ventura to run against mine for fun....But as usual get a bunch of twisted up words and excuses as to why he can't/won't show....But yet the very next day he will post something about how one of his BDT customers raced this that and the other......You know Carlos is the case somebody that has to brag loud about their business in reality they have nothing and have to brag to fill the void.....And of course those select guys are going to stand up for him...wouldn't you if you got free parts and discounts???...

JesseA420 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 14, 2014, 07:20:23 AM »

:lol:

Tbone07 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 14, 2014, 01:07:38 PM »

Quote from: rsss396;36590

I had another pic of the tops of the cylinder but for some reason it's gone but again the writing is in the same spot in the same style writing. The customer that bought this cylinder was told by Carlos him self that they machined this cylinder, which I is highly suspect.

Kinda like how the Quick-Change covers were made in house too huh?

Except for when they fail.......then it's someone else's fault

fearlessfred · « **Reply #33 on:** June 14, 2014, 06:20:40 PM »

this what carlos is hoping for,If cp only could sell a couple of cylinders a year ,than how would the demand for them be any greater.by putting the fear into people that there is a shortage in order to increase the demand for them

F-Red · « **Reply #34 on:** June 14, 2014, 07:28:59 PM »

It's about dictating. If he can try to control, a piece of every aspect of this machines, he has power! He already tried to control the OEM (NOS) parts. I'm telling you guys now, a monster in the making! Paranoid maybe?

Burns363R · « **Reply #35 on:** June 14, 2014, 09:40:53 PM »

Has anyone talked to shrear, hybrid, mcoy, packard about this CPI deal? Have they said anything? Did CPI offer them anything? Would be neat to hear what they say.

mennis1971 · « **Reply #36 on:** June 14, 2014, 09:56:16 PM »

That actually makes a lot of sense. Scary. Glad i don't have plans to build one

rsss396 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 14, 2014, 10:03:18 PM »

A big machine shop purchased CP, they do not need any outside help to machine cylinders.

Chris at CP told me if anyone wants to purchase 20 cylinders like BDT did then they will cast and machine them and sell directly to you.
Sales for the saber have only been a few cylinders a year for some time, CP's new owners are making financial decisions, if the product is not making money for them then you can not blame them for wanting to drop the product. The real question is if this was a smart financial decision by BDT?

mennis1971 · « **Reply #38 on:** June 14, 2014, 10:24:18 PM »

Look at how much money they have spent trying to corner the market on both used and NOS stuff. Remember all the hype around Pine Lake last year. I don't know what the cost of these cylinders are, especially at dealer prices, but if he can cause some hype and sell a few extra this year plus all the used parts(plus labor and more machine work) he needs to build them, then I'd guess that he'll be real close, if not above his investment. The rest will become profit. I'm sure dealer pricing doesn't give him a whole lot of extra price break. Not much at all I'm sure.

I'm sure I'm not the only one dying to know what the "secret" is, but I won't ask

Burns363R · « **Reply #39 on:** June 14, 2014, 10:42:53 PM »

From my understanding it's not cornering a market. They are required to sell to other builders at the same cost. The only benefit is that BDT has agreed to buy enough of them to make it worth CP's time to continue to cast them. It's an everyone win situation. Cost stays the same and instead of long lead times waiting for them to cast they are available to buy immediately.

Pumashine · « **Reply #40 on:** June 14, 2014, 10:50:08 PM »

Quote from: Burns363R;36675

They are required to sell to other builders at the same cost.

Didn't you read Carlos statement that Baby sabers must be machined by BDT? Why would a builder want to buy BDT's work? This machining costs money over the base Saber price obviously! So Carlos is forcing you to buy what you don't want.

mennis1971 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 14, 2014, 10:54:28 PM »

I could care less abt cornering the market on big cylinders(or trying to). It's the parts deal I think is crappy. Especially if he buys your motor, claims it's junk but then has no problem reselling it as GOLD. If it's junk then trash it.

mennis1971 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 14, 2014, 11:09:42 PM »

I'll believe it when I see it that he doesn't tack on some kind of charge. That's not the American way!

Hawaiiysr · « **Reply #43 on:** June 14, 2014, 11:28:43 PM »

I agree Bdt saved the the saber. I'll go out on a limb here and say not every builder wanted to commit to 20K in cylinders that would possibly sit for an unknown amount of time.

Carlos cornered the saber market. We can only get them threw him. I would rather wait for CPI to cast me one but that's not an option. That's how he cornered the market. Its bitter sweet. Kutos to him for fronting the funds.

Burns363R · « **Reply #44 on:** June 14, 2014, 11:34:25 PM »

Cornering implys he's making money by doing this. He's only going to benefit by selling cylinders to customers. You can still buy a saber from packard or shrear or hybrid for the same price as before. Only difference is they will call bdt instead of CPI because that's who stocks them it's not that big of deal.