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Offline patman13mia

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 09:30:38 PM »
pretty sure i used a 3mm spacer and the two gaskets I used were .020 and .030

Offline Bio86

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2014, 09:47:08 PM »
Do a squish test with .062 solder and see what shows up.  I'm with checking bearings also!  Scary deal.
McCoy\'d

Offline patman13mia

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2014, 09:56:26 PM »
yepp sure will do a squish test tomorrow after work. ill post some pics and show the results. thanks for all yalls help!!

Offline Pumashine

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2014, 10:07:44 PM »
The 3mm is the thinner one, the 5mm or .187' is the thicker one which is the standard for the difference in the short to long rod conversion. If you were using the thin one then it might be hitting.
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Offline patman13mia

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2014, 10:13:13 PM »
ahh i gotcha. then yea i need to try the 5mm one. should i use the same size gaskets as im using already? do you happen to have a 5mm spacer i can purchase? i sent ya a pm on it already.

Offline Pumashine

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2014, 10:23:42 PM »
The spacer you were using with the other cylinder is the thickness you need. I have some BB spacers you can have for no charge or the ones I cut i have to check stock. Either way I have what you need. :jumping0041:
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Offline patman13mia

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2014, 10:39:55 PM »
thank god for you tony!! lol..

Offline All250R

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 04:03:29 AM »
just throwing my 2cents in... if the squish clearance is off by as much as 1mm, the porting can't be very precise. Do you have a builder who helped you set up the engine? You might consider one if you're in the market to have your engine designed.

Offline patman13mia

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 11:16:37 AM »
yea understandable. i actually just got the engine back from neil at c leigh racing. he did all the porting n polish.. ive sent him an email and waiting to hear back from him now.. will post up what he says.

Offline C-Leigh Racing

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2014, 03:01:37 PM »
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ok when i get home i can take pics of everything cleaned up. as for clearance im not to sure. neil did all the work on it. i can find out though. the only way coolant could leak through would be cause of the orings correct?


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Ok, I'm here now, been away at a race so didnt know about this.
Just to clear up things so we all will be on the proper page, in this reply where it states "neil did all the work to it" ( no), all Neil did was port & bore & fit a brand new ESR cylinder. Just a typo I'm sure, but it could be looked at wrong by some & thats not me.

Now when I had the cylinder in hand for my work, I had no idea there was no spacer plate shipped with the cylinder kit like normal, but when the porting was being done to it, the ports were degreed in with the proper thickness of spacer plate needed to be used for that cylinder kit, so that the piston edge came up flush with the top edge of the sleeve.
As far as the head dome not being the proper size for the bore, it was measured & was the proper size for the 350 piston, even large enough for a couple size over bores when needed. Piston to bore was set up at 0.0030 like always for a Wiseco piston.
Now if this engine was running out of my trailer & I knew the rider, how they break an engine in, I might would set the clearance up tighter because I would have an eye on every step taken.
I know some ESR cylinders are set up with more piston to bore clearance, but when one leaves me it will be 0.0030 regardless of all the talk.

Ok, now after the PM I just got & answered back, if the wrong thickness of spacer plate was used & the piston was hitting the dome, the resulting problems listed I can understand probably are happening.
A normal standard thickness of spacer plate for this cylinder kit, should have been a 4.8mm thick plate & two base gaskets, which I understand now was not included in the kit.

One thing that might need to be checked, maybe for other than to thin of a spacer plate being used, is if by chance the sleeve has dropped in the cylinder, which sometimes can happen on the 250R aftermarket cylinders, not a regular thing on all of them, but will happen in a few.
If that has happened, then there will be a greater amount of clearance between the head dome gasket surface & the top of the sleeve, so it could be the inner o ring not sealing as it should & could end up with a coolant leak into the bore.
Those o rings can be a pain at times, trying to get them to stay down in the groove when installing the head, so that maybe could have been some of the problem as well.
Not uncommon when installing the head & torquing the head down, to shiver off a thin piece of the inner o ring, which is probably what that thin thing is.
Its not good either way & the o ring needs to be replaced if that does happen.

Another thing I would like all of you take note of, in the pic of the cylinder, take note of that front coolant passage over top of the exhaust port. I had no part in that machining of that area & like I mentioned, all I did was the cylinder porting & bore job.
This was a builders cylinder kit sent to me to finish with porting & cylinder boring.
Neil
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Offline patman13mia

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2014, 03:09:55 PM »
sorry neil not tryna say ya did it all was just meaning you did the port work and what not. its my fault for not doing homework properly. i do have the correct spacer here to use. im gona tear it apart right now and take some photos then install the correct spacer and start it up. will let ya know how it goes.. i cant wait to set it up right cause even after i messed up the first time it sure was pretty snappy!!!

Yeah, I know, no problem with that.
I sometimes myself when putting in a reply, get words mixed up & they sound like they mean something else.
Main thing is, where its spelled words right or not, as long as you get the point across its ok with me. Some think everythings got to be done like a collage professors doing it, but hey, thats their problem not mine.

If you think that piston was slapping the head, you for sure need to replace it & if you ran it like that, there could be damage to the crank, rod & main bearings.
Neil

Well, I messed this reply up, must have clicked on edit & my reply ended up in your reply.
Neil
« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 03:35:50 PM by C-Leigh Racing »

Offline JesseA420

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2014, 03:13:53 PM »
that piston is pretty busted up, i would get a new one.
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Offline atvcrazy

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2014, 04:50:16 PM »
yea I'm looking at those milled coolant passages and I don't see how the front two cylinder studs have enough material around them to not distort when torquing the head down.  Are all these ESR cylinders like that?  I was considering getting a builders kit in a 72 mm bore so there's more material for the sleeve but I would be concerned that there was no material left around the water jacket area like this.

I might just big bore a stock jug

Offline patman13mia

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2014, 04:58:32 PM »
i see the same thing and also wondered that. i called eddie and he said it would not be a problem and they stand behind it 100%!! he said if it fails he will replace it.. sounds good to me

Offline udontknowme

esr350 coolant leak
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2014, 11:29:59 PM »
theres a old saying. measure twice cut once . its bite me in the ass a few times but if you dont let the same dog bite you twice you should be good :biggrin-new:
to much power is almost enough

 

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