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Offline Pricecheck

My recent engine seizure
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2014, 11:07:32 PM »
Creme brule yesterday. It was good. I'm about to start another thread about one thing.


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My recent engine seizure
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2014, 01:55:53 PM »
I think my step will be to fix the crack, beef up that lower motor mount area, order a gusset kit from tony and install it and look into a yfz-R swingarm and figure out that for a new rear suspension.

My main question is will my 250r carrier fit in it and will shimming need to happen for the chain to align? I'm all about some modification and im at the point where I'd rather do all cutting and welding before i repowder this frame. This means cutting off extra mounts, create a better cdi mount, etc. I'll also finish off all stock welds.


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Offline Tbone07

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« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2014, 02:32:26 PM »
Why would you use a YFZ swinger? That's a sin in the Honda world

Get yourself a nice aftermarket stock linkage swinger and call it a day
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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2014, 03:50:43 PM »
I've got a nice aftermarket. Have a nice Houser -1 with stock linkage.

I leaned towards yfz because it's said to have similar geometry to the cr500 but with better availability. If the 500 setup isn't hard to find and isn't super pricey im all for building that setup. I've already built my front shock mounts and they are holding strong. A rear to me would be even easier.

The yfz is also a complete setup (linkage, shock and swingarm). All I would need to do is relocate the upper mount if the 250r carrier would fit.


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Offline C-Leigh Racing

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« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2014, 12:47:51 PM »
If a lean condition cause that crank tin to come off, be the first one I've ever seen. Those crank tins just give up after a while & it dont make no difference who owns it or if its Wiseco, Hot Rods or TRX OEM.
Something as small as a slight ding, on the outside of the tin has an affect on that tin. To understand it easier, say like your doing body work on a car & got to hammer out a dent, every time that hammer hits the metal it expands that metal some & in turn deforms it just a bit. If a lot of hammering is needed, your really getting into deforming the metal then.

If several dings are on the tins or say like one big one, it looses that tin on the crank & with all the jerking & snatching the crank will see, that tin will start to shift & once it contacts the big end pin, it will start to shear & crack.
Welding the tin to the crank web, is the only insurance that is wont come off the web. There may be cases where it has, but I dont know of any.

When we pump these engines up, we need any kind of insurance we can get to keep a part from failing. We cant be like the factorys on our quads & trike 2 strokes, build failure into something, so we can stay in business like they did years ago & even more so today with these new 4 pokers.
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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2014, 03:14:28 PM »
Here's the question that may have been answered before. Why are there tins and not something solid? Weight? If it's weight then maybe something that isn't as heavy or cutout/relief points in the middle. Just like dimple dying. It removes material for lighter weight but strengthens it at the same time.

I just think with all of our smart fabricators out here there has to be a way around the tin style crank.


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Offline Pumashine

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« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2014, 03:44:48 PM »
Quote from: Pricecheck;44137
Just like dimple dying. It removes material for lighter weight but strengthens it at the same time.
 Your tins are made this way. Niel explained the process which these come apart. The tin slides back and forth around the crank. The relief for the crank pin starts hitting the pin and mushrooms out. This is a raw thin piece of sheet metal. You could tack it in a couple spots to hold it in place but then the gas from your motor would fill the crank tins creating an offset in balance. Best solution was to weld them in place
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« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2014, 03:49:45 PM »
Yeah I know they have that strengthened area around the flat sides but I was talking about making the whole crank halves solid and cutting out material if weight was an issue but not jeopardizing strength.

This would eliminate the stupid issue of tins failing. Say a crank is $300. I'd probably pay around $500 for a tinless crank that would fit my application and didn't hinder performance. That extra money outweighs these stupid tins destroying my motor like it did and costing more.

I just know someone has this in their head and wants to pull the trigger on making them.


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« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2014, 04:22:05 PM »
Been reading and reading and it seems like removing the tins completely doesn't have an adverse effect; at least not one I would notice.

Now don't get me wrong, my new build im going to try and get as much power down low as I can but removing the tins might be that piece of mind given with a little performance loss if any is even noticed. I just hate that some stupid sheet metal can cause so much damage.

My new motor will be a stroked 350 with attention given in certain areas that'll give top performance in XC and mx.


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« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2014, 04:40:42 PM »
I can't dish the bottom end that easily. I do think that this deployment I'll be upgrading the clutch basket and stuff as well. I believe that certain things can't be cheap and while my clutch works well, having that Hinson looks to be the way to go.

Thats down the road though. Priority is this frame and changing up the rear suspension. Then the reworked motor with a completely new topend will be dropped in. Those waiting for this to take place, don't. I don't know when I'll be doing this because it's already down to 17* here and I'll be deploying during the heavy winter time and getting back at this time next year. Not worth dropping the money right now.


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Offline udontknowme

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« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2014, 04:52:58 PM »
i would have the tins welded on rather than removing them but its your call. seems honda was the only one to use tins. everyone else used plastic stuffers which served the same purpose, just different approach. if you plan to stay at stock stroke i would use honda crankshaft.
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My recent engine seizure
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2014, 06:35:08 PM »
Dan, you know how I like the laeger! I'm definitely stroking my next motor.

You talking your recent laeger?


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