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Offline Bio86

Running DC without battery
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2014, 08:56:06 AM »
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That's what it is, it's a newer Ricky Stator one.  Similar to Trail Techs.   I bought some cheapo 4" led headlights just to try off AC, no go! haha  my buddy has the same exact lights on his banshee off AC with no problems yet.

So if I wired that into the factory harness without a battery how would you wire it up?  Use the two yellow feed wires from the rect/reg to the stator, one to float the ground, one solders at the factory yellow/white connector at the stator, then the red from the rect/reg then connects to that unsoldered yellow/white wire that goes up to the light switch?  Then just omit the factory regulator?  What do you do with the black ground off the rect/reg then?  Can you ground it to the frame at that point since the stator is floated?

Got it going like that above with the ground off the rect/reg straight to the neg's on the lights. Works awesome actually, didn't even dim at idle.  Had to remove the factory regulator since it tied the ground back to chassis.

Just in case anyone was curious, easy way to do a quick DC convo without a battery.
McCoy\'d

Offline Uns

Running DC without battery
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2014, 09:00:35 PM »
For rectifiers, the easiest way to think of it is:  No one wire on the regulator/rectifier can ever share a path with another wire.  You can think of the chassis as one big wire, and you have to "float" the other three wires, however possible.  Obviously, the "cheapest" way is to float the AC at the stator, as this requires the least amount of wire(two couple-feet long wires to the rectifier, one 10+feet long DC wire to the accessories.)

Also, diodes will fail to behave as expected at higher frequency AC, and it is even possible to ruin slow/cheap diodes/LEDs with high frequency AC.

(Long boring explanation below)

As you rev your engine, you are increasing the frequency of the AC generated. Diodes have a reverse recovery time, where they behave as nearly short circuits for a short period while voltage is presented in the reverse direction across them. This isn't an issue at lower frequencies, as the amount of time the diode spends in this reverse recovery time is much less than the amount of time it takes for the AC signal to swing deep into the reverse polarity stage.  At high frequencies, the time the diode spends in recovery time could equal or be greater than the time the AC signal spends in reverse polarity.  This means that the diode has to pass whatever forward current it was designed for, and now is also passing extra (possibly large) current in the reverse direction that all adds to the amount of heat the thing has to dissipate.  

Luckily, in the case of a cheapo light bar, your LEDs are most likely in series with a high value resistor, which is probably why your bar still works after a cooling down period instead of being a bad paperweight.

Most likely, the Banshee's system is producing a lower frequency AC than the 250r.  That, or your buddy got slightly better spec LEDs in his tail light.

TLDR: Rectify your AC with the right tools for the job!
"Valvetrains? Where we\'re going, we don\'t need Valvetrains." - Me

Offline Bio86

Running DC without battery
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2014, 08:25:20 AM »
Good explanation on that Uns, never boring if you're learning something!
McCoy\'d

Offline hontrx265r

Running DC without battery
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2014, 09:24:30 PM »
Bio I tried this with my trail tech reg/rec and it turned on my 6"led without battery but when I was testing voltages and going over everything it was producing a very low voltage. Im wondering if its bad even though it was new. I then hooked up my home made rectifier with oem regulator and it produced a nice strong 13volts. But im still wondering whats up with the t.t because that stupid thing was 60 bucks..

Offline Bio86

Running DC without battery
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2014, 10:13:23 PM »
Very well could be just a junk rect/reg.  Mines a Ricky Stator and has good voltage, I just assumed they sold the same stuff.  Does the light quality vary though from low to high voltage?
McCoy\'d

Offline hontrx265r

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2014, 03:29:19 PM »
Yes very little. The light will flicker a small amount at idle. But I let my idle be low enough where the bike almost does. Im going to try a cap to stabilize the signal.

Offline Bio86

Running DC without battery
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2014, 09:24:02 AM »
Well she ran all weekend and night without any issues, those cheap lights aren't the brightest but worked well enough.  One of my buddies with a banshee with the exact same lights burned one out Saturday night running AC.  Running a small cap would probably be best but at least it works.
McCoy\'d

Offline The_Steve_Man

Running DC without battery
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2014, 10:58:13 AM »
Where were you at? I got there friday night and left sunday.

Offline Bio86

Running DC without battery
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2014, 11:13:59 AM »
South camp on that upper North side closest to the highway.  Was with a brown ford ranger and a few jeeps.  I never seen a 350 out there, couple good looking 250's and a red/white one that was pretty quick at the strip.  Saturday was beautiful!
McCoy\'d

Offline The_Steve_Man

Running DC without battery
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2014, 11:32:39 AM »
We were on the far southend closest to the ranger station. I rode up there a couple of times and saw a couple of jeeps. Sunday was even better. The wind finally smoothed the sand out.
These are the two bikes I was on.

Offline Bio86

Running DC without battery
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2014, 11:42:30 AM »
Dang, should have stayed I guess.  We stayed out late Saturday so everyone was hurting a little (mainly headaches), just loaded up and hit the road early AM.

Slick lookin 3 wheelers!  Got the death throttle on the black one lol   And yah it got real rough, side by sides and buggies really rut it up now.
McCoy\'d

Offline The_Steve_Man

Running DC without battery
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2014, 12:03:41 PM »
I figure if your going to ride a trike might as well put a twisty on it. Thats all I run on mine. Keeps you on your toes

 

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