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Offline Pumashine

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2015, 09:39:42 PM »
Quote from: dem3500;51533
Is that where this gasket came from?
The OP said he was not going to say where he got it. But Carlos claims they use these on all big bores without any problems. :lies:
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Offline dem3500

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2015, 09:42:59 PM »
Quote from: Pumashine;51534
The OP said he was not going to say where he got it. But Carlos claims they use these on all big bores without any problems. :lies:

Ahhhhh soooo .....I see! Ha
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Offline etccb

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2015, 11:47:35 PM »
It has ALWAYS been like this from him. A never ending supply of dirty low life demotion, lies, deflection, twists, cons and spins.

In his thread sales pitch of this gasket for this user he called it a modified OEM gasket but then in the resulting problem thread he calls it the xxx BB OEM Style Gasket. What the guy got was some pos oe copy crap with the revits in the sealing surface.
smh smh smh.
Endless BS.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2015, 11:19:53 AM by etccb »

Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2015, 02:34:19 AM »
Quote from: fearlessfred;51529
I read that also ,its funny that its always the customers fault that he sells and builds crap .Jimbo,don't forget to take another look at your jetting once you get the head gasket fixed .The piston was definitely hitting the head you pulled off
Not doubting or questioning you, but how do you know that?  What are you seeing?  
I don't know how it could have been hitting the head.  The piston is well below the deck at TDC, and that was a THICK head gasket at 1.6mm.

Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2015, 02:35:26 AM »
Quote from: dem3500;51533
Is that where this gasket came from?
Yep

Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2015, 02:37:04 AM »
Quote from: Pumashine;51534
The OP said he was not going to say where he got it. But Carlos claims they use these on all big bores without any problems. :lies:
I changed my mind.  I will say.  I got it from BDT.  
Once he starts putting the leak blame on me, all bets are off.  Still wondering how that "guarantee" works.......

Offline dem3500

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2015, 05:41:10 AM »
So did he claim that was a Honda gasket that was not ground to fit the big bore or am I miss reading? How can anyone say your head is the problem when the rivet is so far into the head that it leaves a mark on the cylinder and head!? WT$ !?!?!?
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Offline Jerry Hall

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2015, 10:27:22 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo45;51546
Not doubting or questioning you, but how do you know that?  What are you seeing?  
I don't know how it could have been hitting the head.  The piston is well below the deck at TDC, and that was a THICK head gasket at 1.6mm.

There is a ring about 1 to 1.5 mm around most of the outer circumference of the piston that is a different color from the rest of the piston crown.  There is a corresponding ring on the head gasket surface that also shows about a 1 to 1.5mm ring that may be due to very light contact being made with the piston.  This ring is not due to temperature but some type of mechanical contact.

Piston crown color is due to variation in piston crown temperature.  Take your calipers and measure the outside diameter of the squish band where it intersects the head gasket surface.  Now measure the inside diameter of this thin ring on the top of the piston and see if they have the same dimension.  

The piston looks like it is hitting something.  It may be the head gasket hanging out into the bore or the piston is hitting the head.

 

You may be experiencing multiple problems.
 

1.  Wrong head gasket, one that was not made for a big bore.r

2. Head gasket rivets in the wrong place

3.  A head not machined for a big bore.

4.  A very loose rod and or main bearings.



# 4 is not likely because a lower end that loose would be spewing bearing fragments and your piston crown does not show any evidence of this problem.

Offline Hawaiiysr

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2015, 12:01:32 PM »
I got $20 on #2

Offline dem3500

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2015, 12:03:50 PM »
I'm going with #1 but that kind of causes #2 lol
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Offline etccb

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2015, 12:11:26 PM »
I'm going with 2 as well.

Offline JesseA420

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2015, 12:19:50 PM »
Quote from: Hawaiiysr;66760
Yup i sucked the head. taste like dirt.

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Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2015, 12:53:25 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Hall;51552
There is a ring about 1 to 1.5 mm around most of the outer circumference of the piston that is a different color from the rest of the piston crown.  There is a corresponding ring on the head gasket surface that also shows about a 1 to 1.5mm ring that may be due to very light contact being made with the piston.  This ring is not due to temperature but some type of mechanical contact.

Piston crown color is due to variation in piston crown temperature.  Take your calipers and measure the outside diameter of the squish band where it intersects the head gasket surface.  Now measure the inside diameter of this thin ring on the top of the piston and see if they have the same dimension.  

The piston looks like it is hitting something.  It may be the head gasket hanging out into the bore or the piston is hitting the head.

 

You may be experiencing multiple problems.
 

1.  Wrong head gasket, one that was not made for a big bore.r

2. Head gasket rivets in the wrong place

3.  A head not machined for a big bore.

4.  A very loose rod and or main bearings.



# 4 is not likely because a lower end that loose would be spewing bearing fragments and your piston crown does not show any evidence of this problem.

Jerry I saw that little 2mm lighter color ring around the edge of the piston.  It couldn't have hit that gasket, since the gasket was 69mm, the same as the bore.  The ring on the head and gasket are from the pressed "V" ring in that gasket I think.  You are right though about the head chamber not opened up for 69mm bore, though. When I measured it, I think it was at about 67mm where the chamber stops and the sealing surface starts. But that seems like it would only overlap the bore about 1 mm.  That is how this top end was run when I got it (I know that doesn't make it right though).  I don't think the piston could hit the ridge on the head, considering the piston edge is well below the deck at TDC, and add to that a 1.6mm head gasket.  I don't know though, I seem to have issues with this stuff I don't expect all the time.

So, this whole top end is drving me crazy.  I don't like the thought of the piston hitting anything.  So, help me out here guys:

1.  Is there a shop I could send my other head into, that would true it, cut it for 69mm, and adjust the dome/squish for about 95 octane, and maybe cut it for o-rings?
   a. I am a little apprehensive about o-rings on this cylinder, due to the way the sleeve fits...I would expect coolant to seep up through head bolts with out a gasket sealing around each water passage.

2.  If I use a gasket, I am running out of options for this 69mm bore......I tried two of the cometic/wiesco fiber ones with the metal ring, and both leaked coolant a little with this cylinder.  

3.  I could find a place like dem3500 suggested, to send in my other top end, for boring, truing, head cutting, etc., but then I am also buying another piston, and will be up in the hundreds of dollars.

4.  Man, if I had $640 I would just buy an ESR 310 kit and be done with it.  Are there any other lower priced bolt on top halfs out there?

*sigh*  Now I don't even want to ride it, and risk bottom end damage, for fear of it not being right.

Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2015, 01:03:56 PM »
...Oh, and another question about another option I was considering.....

Cool heads.  Those seem kinda universal.  How big are the chambers' diameter cut?  How does one used the same head like this for different bore sizes?

Offline dem3500

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2015, 01:06:44 PM »
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Ask to talk to mike.
If he's buisy or not there just ask for a return call when he's available.
It doesn't cost anything to ask for advice. Hell if your on a budget he will probably work with you on the price. Don't quote me on that but I THINK he will.
Explain your situation and ask his advice and a ball park price. He's a totally cool dude (kind of nerdy lol) that knows his stuff. I've been I'm there many times. He will probably remember me. Tell him the guy with the pink blaster cylinder sent you lol.
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