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Offline dem3500

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2015, 01:15:02 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo45;51560
...Oh, and another question about another option I was considering.....

Cool heads.  Those seem kinda universal.  How big are the chambers' diameter cut?  How does one used the same head like this for different bore sizes?

The domes are removable and individually cut for the apication
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Offline JesseA420

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2015, 01:35:57 PM »
neil at c-leigh racing, jerry can have it done for you, arlan can do it for you. its just a matter of contacting them, talking over ur options with them, picking the right one for you and sending it off.
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Yup i sucked the head. taste like dirt.

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Offline Usmoneylover

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2015, 01:48:25 PM »
Jimbo your concern about coolant seepage around the studs using an oring head gasket is solved by copper washers and acorn nuts on the head studs.  The other thing that will need to be done to the head is limiting the coolant passages on the intake side so the exhaust side gets more coolant flow...this is usually done by the steel head gasket.

Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #78 on: March 13, 2015, 03:14:45 PM »
Quote from: dem3500;51561
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Ask to talk to mike.
If he's buisy or not there just ask for a return call when he's available.
It doesn't cost anything to ask for advice. Hell if your on a budget he will probably work with you on the price. Don't quote me on that but I THINK he will.
Explain your situation and ask his advice and a ball park price. He's a totally cool dude (kind of nerdy lol) that knows his stuff. I've been I'm there many times. He will probably remember me. Tell him the guy with the pink blaster cylinder sent you lol.
Had a nice chat with them a few minutes ago.  My '86 head is in a box and headed to the post office right now!  Thanks!

Offline Jerry Hall

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2015, 03:47:22 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo45;51560
...Oh, and another question about another option I was considering.....

Cool heads.  Those seem kinda universal.  How big are the chambers' diameter cut?  How does one used the same head like this for different bore sizes?

When I make domes or machine combustion chambers I do not like to make the step in the squish band larger than the bore.  Making the squish OD larger than the bore can cause detonation issues on highly developed engines and or slightly miss-tuned engines. Unfortunately many shops or dome manufactures will cut the squish OD in the head for the last aftermarket oversize piston that is available for that model.  

Honda usually machines the squish OD to 66.5 mm on the 250Rs but uses so much piston to head clearance the piston will never hit the head even when the head is not centered over the bore.  Often aftermarket pistons that are larger than the gasket will hit the gasket and then the gasket will hit the head

Most recreational engines do not have dowels or means to exactly center the head over the bore but use the head studs to approximate centering the head over the bore.  High performance engines need close piston to head clearances to promote good combustion, prevent detonation and keep the piston crown cool.  Depending upon the engine package, the RPM range the engine is developed to operate and the  condition of the lower end, we typically set up the piston to head clearances on the 250Rs in the .025" to .050" range.

Using the studs to center the head over the bore will usually allow a 0.5 to 1.0mm of uncertainty, requiring the squish OD to be .5 to 1.0 mm larger than the bore to prevent the piston from hitting any part of the head that is hanging out into the bore.

Offline broken1

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #80 on: March 13, 2015, 07:59:45 PM »
Jerry, I always tried to just move the head around & try to feel for center but what's your opinion on the best way to center the head with the cylinder installed?

Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #81 on: March 13, 2015, 09:01:37 PM »
Quote from: broken1;51573
Jerry, I always tried to just move the head around & try to feel for center but what's your opinion on the best way to center the head with the cylinder installed?
Wouldn't a simple "twist" of the head, to take out slack laterally, be the simplest way?  At least that would center it up as far as the studs holes are concerned.  Now, if the bowl wasn't cut concentric with the stud holes, then this wouldn't help much.  Never thought about this before......

Offline Hawaiiysr

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2015, 09:03:31 PM »
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Your a dork! I looked back to see if there was a #5:lol:

Offline 2ndmoto

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #83 on: March 14, 2015, 12:58:46 AM »
Quote from: JesseA420;51565
neil at c-leigh racing, jerry can have it done for you, arlan can do it for you. its just a matter of contacting them, talking over ur options with them, picking the right one for you and sending it off.

I dont think Arlan would work on this cylinder. These LA Sleeve 300 resleeves have been known to have issues. Coolant leaks (between the sleeve and cylinder) and head gasket problems. Last i talked to him, he didnt want anything to do with them. Arlan did develop his own resleeve kit back in the day. He designed a sleeve and had a company make them for him. This is what Barry Hawk and Bill Ballance used in many of the GNCC races. He had addressed the desigh issues and they were rock solid.

Jimbo, I wouldn't dink around with this cylinder too much more. I have heard of people having good luck with them, but I an have talked personally with more saying they have had nothing but problems. Anyways, best of luck, I hope you get to ride soon

Best regards
-Jason

Offline Jimbo45

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #84 on: March 14, 2015, 01:40:10 AM »
Quote from: 2ndmoto;51584
I dont think Arlan would work on this cylinder. These LA Sleeve 300 resleeves have been known to have issues. Coolant leaks (between the sleeve and cylinder) and head gasket problems. Last i talked to him, he didnt want anything to do with them. Arlan did develop his own resleeve kit back in the day. He designed a sleeve and had a company make them for him. This is what Barry Hawk and Bill Ballance used in many of the GNCC races. He had addressed the desigh issues and they were rock solid.

Jimbo, I wouldn't dink around with this cylinder too much more. I have heard of people having good luck with them, but I an have talked personally with more saying they have had nothing but problems. Anyways, best of luck, I hope you get to ride soon

Best regards
-Jason
Jason, I am having the same thoughts.  I am having a head cut to work on this bore size, and if I can get it to seal with a proper gasket, I am leaving it, and riding this summer, and hopefully dumping it.  I have a nice '86 cyl with mild porting, that just needs bored from 68 to 69.  Next winter I plan on getting that done with a new piston, and I can use the head I am having done now.  Either that or buy an ESR 310 kit.  Then I can chuck this cyl.  You should see how the bottom of the sleeve was left square and not blended, and no chamfer was cut for piston install.  You can kinda see it in the pic below.  Lol.  I only ran it because I got it cheap, and it had a fresh bore and piston.


Offline udontknowme

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #85 on: March 14, 2015, 02:30:29 AM »
multi layer gasket is new to me. is there not a 1 piece unit from a cr250 that would work ?  sealer is something ive always used, on the one piece gaskets anyways. not to bandaid over any problems but simply because it seals the head like nobodys business
to much power is almost enough

Offline dem3500

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #86 on: March 14, 2015, 06:36:30 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo45;51568
Had a nice chat with them a few minutes ago.  My '86 head is in a box and headed to the post office right now!  Thanks!


Dude that's awesome! I glad I was able to help!
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Offline dem3500

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2015, 06:56:11 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo45;51568
Had a nice chat with them a few minutes ago.  My '86 head is in a box and headed to the post office right now!  Thanks!



Dude that's awesome! I'm glad I was able to help!
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Offline Jerry Hall

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2015, 03:28:01 PM »
Quote from: udontknowme;51586
multi layer gasket is new to me. is there not a 1 piece unit from a cr250 that would work ?  sealer is something ive always used, on the one piece gaskets anyways. not to bandaid over any problems but simply because it seals the head like nobodys business

One layer metal head gaskets are not my first choice for cylinders with sleeves.  Look for some of my post explaining why.

Offline udontknowme

So, just when I thought I had all my problems fixed......video
« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2015, 04:51:14 PM »
i think we would all just as soon avoid sleeved cylinders all together, given the choice.  most manufacturers ditched sleeves back in the mid '80s, atleast on the higher performance engines (125,250 etc). even kawi and ktm ran sleeveless cylinders on their 500cc stuff. anyways back to the gasket. personally i havent encountered any problems with the single piece units. maybe ive just been lucky. sleeveless with orings is the way to go. this is well known and why the most modern engines use this type of configuration
to much power is almost enough

 

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