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Offline rablack21

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2015, 08:53:10 AM »
Good work Troy. Looking forward to getting one.

Offline Sky

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2015, 09:32:22 AM »
Now this is awesome progress Troy!  Great to hear.
Quote from: troybilt;56189
The airbox will mimic this design I have for the TRX450R.  Nice thing about this box is you can run it as an "airbox eliminator" or as a complete airbox, I think an airbox that can be configured for different riding conditions is key.  To start they will be vented as shown.  I'm working with another company in the snowmobile world that makes hydrophobic mesh, so the vents will be covered with this mesh.  Looks like outerwears material except it doesn't let water, mud or snow in.



Offline Pumashine

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2015, 08:37:08 PM »
Big pain in the azz is the smart carb. The intake tube must be 3/4" shorter to use the stock airbox or that configuration. It has to do the the mounting tabs on the stock frame. Not easy to move 3/4"

A specail thanks to Troy for doing all this R&D. I am sure he has a thousand hours into THIS
Puma 408, Puma 431,  Pilot 412, Puma 431, Mini-tooth 486 Trx450r
89mm  Mini tooth Shearer in frame pipe chromed! With Cascade  Q

Offline Anthony0327

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2015, 12:01:34 AM »
Awesome work. Looking forward to seeing the results on this. Some of you guys are doing great things to keep our beloved bikes alive. Is this made from the same materials as the oem boots or a different material?

Offline troybilt

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2015, 07:10:57 AM »
UPP out there in Tony's neck of the woods does the polyurethane rubber stuff for me. When I had my 496cc Saber motor, the intake signal would nearly collapse the rubber intake tubes.  I can do PU material (similar to stock), the issue I found is its not as cost effective as high density plastic or even Carbon fiber.  With the plastic the filter can clamp directly to the tube, versus having some billet aluminum flange made.   However, to work with stock airbox the PU would be the way to go off course.  Thing to remember is this isn't just a stock replacement intake tube, this actually will give a big bump in performance.  The one I've done for the yfzr was nearly 2-2.5hp improvement, and still finding more.  I have my own dynojet dynamometer so I will know exactly what improvements can be made.  

Also intake pulses are timed just like on the expansion chamber side.  Key is getting the earliest intake pulse to return to the intake side of he cylinder around the same time as when the piston just drops past the intake ports, (volumetric efficiency). Again, just like the expansion chamber side,  Length, taper and volume of the intake tube factor into this, and can change whether an intake is low, mid or top end range, etc...  With that said, even with all the various methods or equations for calculating this it gets fairly complicated cause the intake tubes are rarely just a simple tapered pipe, they have kinks and bends and large transitions etc...  Even with the engine simulation software I use, it assumes the intake is a simple tapered pipe.  I've read some interesting papers on this topic where an oscilloscope and a microphone was used measure the pulse timing.  I've thought about getting some of that equipment and trying it myself.  For now I do "best" guess then hit the flowbench and dyno, but I'd like to have a more scientific approach to it.   I do have a kickass Somat data aquisition computer, that I'm working on installing ultra high speed pressure transducers in the intake tube coupled with an analog rotary gauge.  I'd like to be able to plot intake pressure vs. crank angle.  This is very doable and I just need a little more time to get this all figured out.
Elsinore 496cc Saber

Offline Sky

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2015, 09:08:04 AM »
Now that Troy is most excellent.
Quote from: troybilt;56189
The airbox will mimic this design I have for the TRX450R.  Nice thing about this box is you can run it as an "airbox eliminator" or as a complete airbox, I think an airbox that can be configured for different riding conditions is key.  To start they will be vented as shown.  I'm working with another company in the snowmobile world that makes hydrophobic mesh, so the vents will be covered with this mesh.  Looks like outerwears material except it doesn't let water, mud or snow in.



Offline troybilt

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2015, 09:45:37 AM »
Thanks Sky!
Elsinore 496cc Saber

Offline Saber569r

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2015, 12:24:10 PM »
What's the difference between yours and the fci? They seem quite similar.

Offline troybilt

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2015, 01:46:01 PM »
What FCI?  They've never done a 250r intake until recently. I believe I've had my design a lot longer...
Elsinore 496cc Saber

Offline rablack21

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2015, 01:57:10 PM »
Quote from: troybilt;56268
What FCI?  They've never done a 250r intake until recently. I believe I've had my design a lot longer...
:respekt:

Offline troybilt

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2015, 01:57:19 PM »
Elsinore 496cc Saber

Offline Pumashine

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2015, 03:56:40 PM »
Troy started this over a year ago. Last month we saw Fuel customs attempt to copy Troys design. http://trx250r.org/threads/5938-New-intake?highlight=fuel+customs. Go ahead and spend $200 on a unproven intake system. I will wait for Troy as he will be testing what he makes and revising with improvements.
Puma 408, Puma 431,  Pilot 412, Puma 431, Mini-tooth 486 Trx450r
89mm  Mini tooth Shearer in frame pipe chromed! With Cascade  Q

Offline bnau267

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2015, 08:14:14 PM »
When reading your post it started sounding like Arlan explaining his port timing and shit.  One of each please ....Git-R-Done already!  So glad you followed through on the R parts.

Offline Saber569r

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2015, 08:40:53 PM »
Quote from: troybilt;56270
I posted pics of my design 8 months ago so go pound sand.  http://trx250r.org/threads/4730-New-Intake-Airbox-from-ROBL-Engineering-Would-you-be-interested?highlight=Intake

I apologize I never saw this tread, it looks like a great product. Sorry for asking a basic question.

Offline troybilt

Robl Engineering Prototype Intake Completed
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2015, 10:22:44 PM »
Seemed like a rhetorical question and more of an accusation.  If you really looked at the pics the differences in shape are quit obvious.  I get the same crap on the 450r forums.   Secondly, the pics I just posted are of a 3d printed intake that is strictly for prototype and testing purposes.  I had a 1200 bill from a mistake of running my 450 a little too long with a 3d printed intake.  Dyno testing and flow bench testing only.  Lastly, my ideas for a new intake for the R date back to 2010, when I started build Elsinore.  It seemed like using the same intake for a 249cc motor with a 496, was probably not s good idea.  The rest is history.
Elsinore 496cc Saber

 

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