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Offline evaneyeball

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2020, 03:50:51 PM »
I dont know how it could be detonation because I'm running straight 110 and by the looks of the plug its rich. Mabey a bad cdi and have jacked up timing? When I get home I'll do a compression test.
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline The norm

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2020, 05:46:30 PM »
I have a shit ton of compression and am running 110 octane.  Don't listen to the snake oil salesman on the other site! 15.5:1 is my compression ratio and 13.5:1 is what my kids are running on 92 octane.
What ignition are you using? Do you have adjustable timing? What does Arlen say?
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering 391(Good bye super 310)
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering  ported stock 86 cylinder
1986 Trx250r-- craigslist engine with unknown ported 89 cylinder.
1985 Atc250r-- Needs a lot of work (Super 310's new home)

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2020, 06:43:14 PM »
I haven't called him yet but I am running completely stock ignition I dont know what year though and the only other thing is a Ricky stator reg/rec. And I'm not quite home to do a compression check
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline The norm

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2020, 06:49:15 PM »
You cranking compression doesn't give you the compression ratio. I had a cylinder that had 225 cranking compression, but was 17.5:1 ratio. My cylinder now has 225 and 15.5:1. So it will give you an idea of what fuel you need, but won't be exact.
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering 391(Good bye super 310)
1986 Trx250r-- Hybrid Engineering  ported stock 86 cylinder
1986 Trx250r-- craigslist engine with unknown ported 89 cylinder.
1985 Atc250r-- Needs a lot of work (Super 310's new home)

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2020, 06:54:24 PM »
How do I find the compression ratio?
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline 2ndmoto

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2020, 09:17:38 PM »
Plug doesn't look like there is detonation going on. The threads don't look great on the head. Make sure the boss on the head is flat and is a good surface to seal against.

Tighten up. Run a heat cycle and resnug

Is that a new plug. Threads are really dirty. Maybe from blowby?

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2020, 09:47:27 PM »
That is a brand new plug only ran for break in and the grit on the plug is from the blow by. And in better light I found that the powder that I took off wasn't all of it so I took and put the plug in just a few threads and took a razor blade and scraped it off to bare metal. It was a chrome base powder so i thought it was just metal right there.
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2020, 09:48:00 PM »
I scraped it off and put a new plug in and gapped it to
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LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline 2ndmoto

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2020, 10:55:58 PM »
One you get the engine up to temp, turn it off and recheck the torque.

Watch your water temps with that powder coated head. Looks great, but it does act as an insulator.

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2020, 11:24:54 PM »
Yeah while I was riding it it didnt over heat and the way we ride isnt very fast but constantly on and off the gas wich builds up alot of heat. I DIDNT do this until a whole nother riding day after break in was done. I also am looking to get a inline coolant temp guage. I am not too worried about the powder coat being an issue because if it gets too hot it falls off and I cound this out when my dad powder coated his pipe on a outlaw and it immediately flaked off. So my cylinder is running pretty cool and IMO. Not that the powder coating isnt insulating but I'm not too worried about that being an issue because if it was insulating it too much and was over heating it it would have already flaked off. But you are right and I should keep an eye on it.
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

Offline havinnoj

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2020, 07:03:44 PM »
On the in-line temp thing - I swapped the ESR gauge on the 363 for a Trail Tech TTO (https://www.trailtech.net/tto-1 for like $50 with inline fitting).  Having the gauge on the bars is so much easier to monitor, especially for newer riders who are usually riding that bike anyways.  They come with zip ties and 3M sticky film.  I sourced a boating registration clamp and recruited Pete to machine it down for me.  Came out pretty clean.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2020, 07:15:19 PM by havinnoj »

Offline Jerry Hall

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2020, 08:01:56 PM »
These are the pictures I can take right now


This is what I see looking at the spark plugs.        on  Reply #4 on: June 14, 2020, 07:04:14 PM


Pictures 1,2,3: 
The first 3 pictures show the spark plug is operating at too low of a temperature too keep the center electrode and porcelain burned off and clean. The steel shell that occupies the area that is about 2mm long below the last thread and the surface the ground strap is welded to, is also running too cold. This shell area should be scorched, blackened or be dry with soot or carbon when the combustion temperature is in the the range of a well tuned carburetor and riden aggressively.    Some possible causes for this low steel shell and porcelain operating temperature could be due to one or a combination of the following:

1.  Low shell temperature is usually an indication of low combustion temperature and or very brief periods of full throttle.
2.  The circuit in the carburetor is very rich in the throttle positions where the engine spent most of it's time running.
3.  Periods of wide open throttle are too short and or there is too much time elapsed between periods of wide open throttle.
4.  We cannot evaluate the heat range at this point because the shell is running ice cold.  A hotter heat range spark plug will raise the operating temperature of the porcelain to keep the porcelain a little cleaner for the current carburetor tune, and riding style that this spark plug experienced.  A hotter heat range plug will not change the operating temperature of the shell area below the threads or the area where the ground strap is welded to the shell. 

Picture 4 indicates the spark plug sealing washer was sitting on an uneven surface.  One side of the sealing surface of the washer is flat while the other side is still round. I would remove the sealing washer from the threads and screw the plug into the head only finger tight and look at the sealing surface on the head and the plug base to determine if the threads and head sealing surface are 90 deg. to each other. 
« Last Edit: June 20, 2020, 08:10:57 PM by Jerry Hall »

Offline evaneyeball

Re: Plugs backing out
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2020, 10:34:49 PM »
Every about the wide open throttle is true. That is just my riding style. I generally play around in the tall grass at the dunes and twisting and turning in between going pretty slow some times and very fast other times. And very short blips of WOT and needing sudden power. And it was actually running pretty cold just in general. After about 20 minutes of riding and shutting it off I could almost touch the cylinder. I didnt start riding like this until I had pur a whole day of. Normal people riding riding after break I was done
LED built 86 trx 350 CEO
81 ATC250r
Zero finesse and alot of throttle

 

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