The thing about comparing the 250r to there other new chassis is most everything walsh builds is truly designed around mx. Yes they make tt and xc arms but the heart is the mx track. The suzuki I will agree is probably hands down one of the best mx machines. They are also probably correct that they have surpassed the geometry of old. The thing about the 250r and even the 450r is imo, they are the best "all around" platform. They can be setup to do anything from racing to play riding, and do it well. Good luck with the build Bob! I cant wait to rip mine in a few weeks when the temp drops.