Author Topic: PM from Carlos concerning CP Industries products (Read 11960 times)

Burns363R · « **Reply #45 on:** June 14, 2014, 11:37:31 PM »

BDT and ESR are the only two companies currently investing in the future of the 250r. Seriously. Both companies want to see the 250r continue. Because of passion . Because they love the 250r.

fearlessfred · « **Reply #46 on:** June 14, 2014, 11:44:47 PM »

We all have the choice of not buying from a known liar, carlos is an expert at marketing and there will be a few that will fall into his trap,hopefully they will be as happy as Kyle, .I will hang my bike from the garage ceiling and just look at it before I ever bought a part from that jackass

rsss396 · « **Reply #47 on:** June 15, 2014, 12:11:04 AM »

If sales for the puma and sphynx stay at a profitable level then CP will continue to offer them, nobody is buying the saber because they are very expensive to build much like a full blown puma motor.
Only a few extreme people will be interested in building a Saber when Pumas can easily make 75 on gas and well into the 90's in a full blown drag motor on alky.
Way to much drama is going on about this, and Kudos for BDT for keeping the Saber alive but IMO it will be a very long time before they see a return on there money.

Black Sheep · « **Reply #48 on:** June 15, 2014, 01:08:45 AM »

Quote from: Burns363R;36689

BDT and ESR are the only two companies currently investing in the future of the 250r. Seriously. Both companies want to see the 250r continue. Because of passion . Because they love the 250r.

Not true, just the only ones you know of.

fearlessfred · « **Reply #49 on:** June 15, 2014, 08:55:06 AM »

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Not true, just the only ones you know of.

Arlan,at LED reproducing tranny gears is a great example. Kyle I believe you to be an honest man, but sticking your head in the sand so that you don't see what's going on around you is like lying to yourself.

Burns363R · « **Reply #50 on:** June 15, 2014, 08:56:18 AM »

Ya true about LED. forgot about the gears. That is a great thing to have coming down the road.

rsss396 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 15, 2014, 09:02:56 AM »

Those gears from LED are available right now and are very nice, I have a set for a Puma build

Burns363R · « **Reply #52 on:** June 15, 2014, 09:05:21 AM »

Do they have a complete trans yet? I think i read 1-3 was available, which is the ones that are really needed. Props to LED, that is a huge step for the 250r community.

rsss396 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 15, 2014, 09:22:04 AM »

The whole small bore Saber thing may not have needed any molding changes or very little if so. I had a guy inquiring about a 90mm bore liger because he had a class limit of 500cc I had Chris measure a raw casting and it was right around 86mm as casted.
now you have to remember these are raw castings so just because it had 4 mm extra bore material does not guarantee that the bore is not oval in shape or even not square to the top and bottom of the cylinder. I would love to see how they decide to make the first cut on a raw cylinder, because that first cut is what every other cut is based on.
in the case of the small bore Liger, CP was not willing to cut on just one cylinder because of machine setup time and the fact they were behind on getting product out the door. If we are lucky in the near future they will get caught up with machining cylinders and possibly will take on special projects.
2 brand new CNC machines were bought by the new company solely for machining cylinders, all new fixtures were built for each style cylinder, head and other accessories.
So the future looks bright for machining quality and production speed, now we just have to hope the market will be strong enough to support the products.

rsss396 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 15, 2014, 09:24:12 AM »

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Do they have a complete trans yet? I think i read 1-3 was available, which is the ones that are really needed. Props to LED, that is a huge step for the 250r community.

Not a complete trans just the 1-3 gears, I believe if the demand is there for a complete trans Arlan will make it.

etccb · « **Reply #55 on:** June 15, 2014, 08:19:10 PM »

(IMO) xxx invests more with xxx then the R as you can see from how they handle twist and state things. They are about investing into them, not to be confused with the same investing into the 250r's future the way that esr has. And yes we also others like led and his tranny parts helping us out as well.

Props to everyone helping the R live on......Thank You

>>These are just my personal opinions and in no way intended to put down, attack, throw rocks at, or in general to cause crap for burns and his own personal opinions posted above.<<

Burns363R · « **Reply #56 on:** June 15, 2014, 08:44:44 PM »

Every company. BDT ESR LED...ect are in it to make money. Don't pretend that ESR isn't doing what they do to make a living just like everyone else. I fully support what all the 250r company s do. But its crazy that you think that BDT is different than the others for trying to make money. They all do do it for the money.

Also don't worry about me and my feelings. I think this discussion is healthy for all of us. As long as we can respectfully disagree, i see no harm in talking about this stuff.

I know alot of you will think this is crazy, but i still hope that this will all settle down and the community will come to peace. This divided house isn't good for the future of the 250r.

etccb · « **Reply #57 on:** June 15, 2014, 08:52:02 PM »

I agree everyone needs to keep the lights on but some have very different ways of handling and doing business. Very different....

Pumashine · « **Reply #58 on:** June 15, 2014, 10:28:04 PM »

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I know alot of you will think this is crazy, but i still hope that this will all settle down and the community will come to peace. This divided house isn't good for the future of the 250r.

I don't believe the R community would be any different than it was 5 years ago before BDT started. What has BDT done for us? Other than you and A/O talking like this mom and pop builder are a big thing. Have never seen the name anywhere except .NET The only reason he is there because he got booted everywhere else for being a cheap bastard and not supporting the site. He bought his way into .Net to avoid being booted, and not to any of OUR members liking. I am sorry Kyle but BDT is a unknown shop not in the 250r future IMO.

Burns363R · « **Reply #59 on:** June 15, 2014, 10:32:46 PM »

I get where your coming from. But honestly if they where so unknown they would be still be open. It takes a lot of revenue to keep a business alive. Only thing that keeps revenue coming is is happy returning customers... Thats business 101. Its been over 5 years since BDT joined the internet 250r community. That means that they must be keeping customers happy. There simply isnt enough 250r people to piss off more than once and stay open.. Right???